Hello everyone. Hello everybody I had the great pleasure today of speaking with Brett Weinstein who I've talked to a fair bit and who has mediated some of the debates I had with Sam Harris and you know our

conversations have been very productive across the last it's getting to be seven or eight years.

We started today by talking about the Darien Gap and the problem of immigration and we moved from

that to the solution to that problem after analyzing not least the fact that immigration conducted in this

manner is very hard on the people who are immigrating, you know, traversing the

jungle as they have to, being robbed and raped in consequence, It's a very haphazard way of going

about whatever the hell's going on. We talked about that then in broader terms with regards

to the relationship between the fact of that uncontrolled and unrestrained immigration.

Like that's a pathologization of something that's necessary and something that's also producing a somewhat of a constitutional crisis at the moment.

We talked about that in relationship to broader conceptions of multiculturalism per se,

and talked about the advantages and disadvantages to that diversification of society.

And we went from there deeper, I would say, into a discussion of what it is that might necessarily

be key to unifying a society even in the face of a diverse plurality

so that it becomes maximally productive, generous, and sustainable across time, and that led us into a discussion of, as Brett put it, the sacred

and the shamanic as two manifestations of that which is deepest. So join us for the ride.

Hello sir, it's been a while since we talked. How are you doing?

I'm doing all right. It's great to see you Jordan as always sorry to hear about

your troubles up in Canada oh yeah people bring that up and it kind of surprises me

because I forget about it fairly quickly. It's so absurd and

preposterous that it's hard to take it with any degree of seriousness. I think

it's partly because it's more serious for other people in some ways than it is for me.

I mean there's not much they can do to me.

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