Stephen Robles, welcome to the talk show. And please, please, please tell me how to pronounce your surname.

I'm not even sure anymore. Thanks for having me. It's an honor to be here. I say Stephen Robles.

Robles. More like a Z. All right. All right. And because I'm going to admit to you something that is probably in the decades of your life completely expected, which is

that in my head, I'd been pronouncing your surname Robles.

Oh, in elementary, I had all various.

Until I was on your podcast, Primary Tech with Brian Aiton back in May, April. Jason, Jason, Jason, Aton. We'll leave that in. I can mispronounce everybody's name. He told me to tell you he'd love to be on as well. He'll fill in whenever you need. All right. All right. It's good to know. My laptop bag made. We figured out at a recent event that jason and i have exactly the same

briefcase we could be we could be part of a movie like mishap where one of us takes in the wrong

bag it's the thomas crown affair style exactly i realized when i was on your show i believe

you as the host introduced yourself and jason and that's suddenly when I realized how your

surname was pronounced. Because, like, I watch your YouTube's all the time. You don't say it. You

don't have to. You just jump right in. That's YouTube style where there is no introduction.

That's right. Yeah. It's pronounced PixelMator. That's how you say that's name. Pixelmator. That's it. That's right. Yeah. It's pronounced pixel meter. That's how you say. Yes. Pixel Mator.

That's it. That's it. Stephen Mator. Well, while we're talking about it, one of the reasons I wanted

to have you on the show, A, because I thought we got along swimmingly when I was on your show,

but B, just in the last, I was going to say month, but it's more like a

fortnight. It's like two weeks. You've gone full time on your YouTube channel. You've joined the

ranks of independent media. I have. It's something I thought about for a while, but a variety of

things that made it possible, like my shortcuts community, and people really been responding

to my videos and the channel has grown, and so decided to make the jump.

I'm going to take issue right away with the title of your episode of your YouTube show

where you announced it, which was, I don't have a job anymore thanks to you.

Let me tell you, running your own independent media, I don't know if you've figured it out yet

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