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The Talk Show With John Gruber

437: ‘A Naughty Citizen’, With Quinn Nelson

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.83.6K Ratings

🗓️ 24 December 2025

⏱️ 149 minutes

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Summary

Special guest Quinn Nelson returns for a two-part holiday spectacular: the iPad in the wake of iPadOS 26, and Apple's executive changes as Tim Cook seemingly nears the end of his time as CEO.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Quinn, you've had a big year, right?

0:02.0

Yeah.

0:02.6

Is this a year?

0:03.3

Am I wrong? I'm at the age now. I've got a senior in college, my son Jonas. And the years now are just flying by like I'm flipping through pages in a book. So I'm thinking this is the year you became a father. That's a good memory. This is the year. Yeah. At the end of January. So we're coming up on one year. So I am close.

0:22.5

Just in the nick of time.

0:23.7

Yeah. the year, yeah, at the end of January. So we're coming up on one year. So I am close.

0:22.4

Just in the nick of time. Yeah. But I'm so worried. And we would have had to start the show over

0:28.5

because it would have been so embarrassing if you would have said, no, no, she's in kindergarten.

0:33.6

Nope, great memory. Yeah. It's been a long year. That's how you know. At your age, when you still think it's been only one year, I'm just kidding.

0:42.4

Yeah. My son was born in January as well, so we're on the same rough schedule. And I, as long ago as it was for me the first Christmas was awesome yeah so we're excited

0:58.1

it's fun with a January baby because by the time Christmas rolls around they're like they're

1:02.8

fun she's doing stuff she's crawling around like a monster and right yeah it's a it's it's truly

1:09.1

I don't know the ones twos and threes are just phenomenal because there's, they're, like you said, they're doing stuff. And it's like, oh my God, well, look at this. And then for me, at least my wife would be like, shut up, he's not a robot. But I'd be talking about it like, look, he is teaching himself to do X, Y, and Z.

1:28.4

Yeah, it's a new thing.

1:28.9

Huh?

1:29.2

Right.

1:29.5

Yeah, it's been a lot of fun.

1:32.9

I'm very lucky.

1:35.0

Well, but the other thing I do remember, too, though, is like around that age, one and

1:39.3

two, it is the most fun.

1:41.2

You will have incredible memories.

1:44.0

You're going to have fun extemporaneously as it happens.

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