434: ‘Knee-Jerk Contrarian’, With Dan Frommer

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

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🗓️ 18 November 2025

⏱️ 114 minutes

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Summary

Special guest Dan Frommer returns to the show. Topics include the indie media business, the iPhone Pocket, the iPhone Air (including rumors about the second generation model), AI “personalities”, and five years of Apple Silicon Macs. Also, six years of Dan’s site, The New Consumer.

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0:00.0	Dan, I forget, how long has it been since you've been on the show?
0:03.3	I can look at it.
0:03.9	Man, I don't even know.
0:05.3	You could.
0:06.3	What I know is that I think I either had an infant or no kid, and now I have a four-and-a-half-year-old who does Legos in his sleep, basically.
0:17.2	The Lego budget has surpassed the food budget some weeks, but.
0:21.0	Oh, wow.
0:22.1	Episode 288 in 2020?
0:25.7	No.
0:26.4	Is that right?
0:27.2	It might be.
0:28.0	It might be.
0:28.8	Jesus Christ.
0:30.1	You know, I'm kind of off the Applebeat, although I'm still obviously reloading daring fireball.
0:35.6	It's embarrassing whenever I look at my safari tabs that are open, 30% of them are gray.
0:42.7	That's very nice to hear.
0:45.4	It's surprising how often that happens to me, too.
0:48.5	Do you find yourself opening a bunch of your own tabs a lot because you're, like, referencing
0:52.4	previous work?
0:55.9	Totally, yeah. I have a rule now where basically at the end of the week i just close the browser window and whatever's gone is gone
1:01.7	yeah otherwise you're just too many tabs but i should do that i think i'm up to 434 tabs in safari right now
1:08.5	and then i tried to do it at the end of the month. I do it as like a last
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