Hello everyone. I'm here today talking to Stephen Bonnell, known professionally and online as

destiny. He's an American streamer, debater and political commentator. He really came to my attention I would say as a consequence of the

discussion he had with Ben Shapiro and Lex Friedman and I decided to talk to him not least

because it's not that easy to bring people who are identified at least to some

degree with the political beliefs on the left into a studio where I can actually have a

conversation with them. I've tried that more often than you might think and it happens

now and then but not very often. So today we talk a lot about well the differences between the

left and the right and the dangers of political ideology per se and the use of power as opposed to invitation and all sorts of other heated, often heated and contentious issues.

And so you're welcome to join us.

And I was happy to have the opportunity to do this.

So I guess we might as well start by letting the people who don't know who you are, get to know who you are with a little bit more precision.

So why have you become known and how is that developed?

It's a pretty broad question.

I think I started streaming around 15 years ago

when it wasn't really a thing yet.

There were a few people that did it. I started early on I was a well I guess back then you weren't a professional game

because the game had just started to come out but there was a game called Starcraft 2 and I

I was pretty myself playing that game. I was a pretty good player, it was pretty entertaining to watch and then I kind of grew

over I guess maybe the next seven years just streaming that people would watch.

Streaming on YouTube? Well back then years just on streaming that people would watch.

Streaming on YouTube?

Well, back then, I started on a website called live stream.

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