Skill number nine is collaboration and in squiggly careers we're all very used to collaborating

but I think there's more collaboration and in lots of ways more sophisticated collaboration

certainly if I think about all those years ago when we started our career at boots

collaboration was in lots of ways quite straightforward it was often well always face to face

probably mainly in the team that you were in you didn't sort of go loads outside of your team

and mainly with probably like one of the peer and maybe your manager and like always in the same way

it would happen in like a same meeting room or something like that it was very predictable so a lot of

similarity whereas now I feel like you're collaborating with a much wider rate like a same meeting room or something like that. It was very predictable. So a lot of similarity,

whereas now I feel like you're collaborating with a much wider range of people, probably inside and outside your organisation, and you're collaborating in lots of different ways, which often,

I think, feels overwhelming for people. It's sort of like the, oh, we're collaborating on WhatsApp

and on teams, and then we phone call, and then we're face to face. Not everybody works in a hybrid way,

but I do feel like everybody uses technology to collaborate. And there's always this bit of a

sense of tension is like, is that proving to be a kind of friend or foe when it comes to

collaboration? I think what I do when I'm trying to be really intentionally good at collaboration is, first

of all, I start with my close collaborators.

So I'm not kind of, I don't actually think about this as just a generic skill.

I think about it, probably like a skill in action.

Like so who am I most likely to collaborate with me?

Like you and I collaborate all the time.

We collaborate on ideas of the podcast, on writing our books,

on designing career development for organisations.

There's people that I might collaborate with outside on articles that we might write or

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