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The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

412. Why Doing Hard Things Is the Ultimate Advantage

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Marketing, Business, Entrepreneurship, Management

5.0539 Ratings

🗓️ 4 November 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

What if the only way to build unshakable success is to suffer for it every single day? As part of the “Road to the Summit”, a special series ramping up to the 2025 Game Changers Summit this November 12–13, we’re revisiting some of the most powerful conversations ever featured at our events. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, we’re throwing it back to the 2023 Game Changers Summit, where Joe De Sena, founder and CEO of Spartan Race, took the stage to unpack what it truly takes to lead with grit, persistence, and purpose.   From cleaning pools for mobsters in Queens to building a global fitness empire that nearly collapsed during the pandemic, Joe’s story is a masterclass in resilience. He reveals that doing hard things isn’t punishment but preparation, and that embracing discomfort builds the kind of resilience that separates those who survive from those who succeed. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why embracing adversity every day builds the grit required to win How to find your “why” — and use it to push through the toughest moments What it takes to turn pain, persistence, and purpose into long-term success If you want to build a life that can’t be broken, this episode will show you how to earn it. ---- Show Notes: 02:43 – Joe recalls growing up in Queens surrounded by hustlers and mobsters — and the lessons that shaped his early work ethic. 07:26 – The business advice Joe received from a mob boss that taught him the value of showing up early, going above and beyond, and never asking for money. 11:53 – Joe shares how his repeated rejections from Cornell taught him the power of persistence and delayed gratification. 18:46 – The creation of Spartan Race — how Joe turned his passion for endurance and suffering into a global fitness empire. 20:44 – Joe reveals how the pandemic nearly destroyed Spartan, costing $50 million, and why grit kept him from quitting. 25:42 – The story of the Japanese marathon monks and what extreme commitment looks like in practice. 33:48 – Why manufacturing adversity every day — through cold showers, burpees, and hard choices — is the key to building lasting resilience. Links & Resources: Spartan Race Tough Mudder Spartan Up! by Joe De Sena 10 Rules for Resilience by Joe De Sena Joe de Sena ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. —- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 364. How to Train Your Brain for Unbelievable Success 353. How He Trained His Mind to Never Quit — Using Something You’d Never Guess with James Lawrence 198. A-List Athletes — The Mindsets of Champions

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years ago we had a tremendous tolerance for pain 5,000 years ago we just wanted the sun to rise right

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today everybody in this room has massive expectations we want the Wi-Fi to work at 30,000 feet

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on airplane and we have a very low tolerance for pain welcome to a special edition episode of

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the game Changing Attorney podcast

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as we count down the days to the 2025 Crisp Game Changers Summit.

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We're looking back at the 2023 Game Changer Summit with our keynote speaker, Joe DeSenna.

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You'd be a better person.

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Our families would be better if we had a high tolerance of pain and low expectations.

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Yeah. pain and low expectations. I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.

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I've built my business through practice, not theory.

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Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,

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earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.

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Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the

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same for theirs. In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the

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legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the

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status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer. Every year, the most committed

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law firm owners in America convene at the crisp game changers summit in Atlanta, Georgia

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for two full days of world-class speakers, transformational

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law firm growth strategies, unparalleled networking, and unforgettable experiences.

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The road to the summit starts here. From now until the 2025 Game Changers Summit

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taking place this November, join us as we relive and revisit some of our favorite moments

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from past summits. Today, we're looking back to the 2023 Crisp Game Changers Summit where the founder of

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