413. AMMA — How to Lead When You Feel Like a Fraud

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Marketing, Business, Entrepreneurship, Management

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 6 November 2025

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

What do you do when there’s no one to turn to and every decision rests on you? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael and Jessica Mogill answer raw, real questions from law firm owners navigating isolation, leadership doubts, and the pressure to stay strong when everything feels uncertain. From managing tough team decisions to questioning your purpose as a business owner, Michael shares why staying in the arena, even when you’re tired, scared, or second-guessing yourself, is the mark of true leadership. Here’s what you’ll learn: How to make hard calls when you have no one to confide in Why every leader questions their purpose and how to push through the low points What it takes to build a trusted community that keeps you grounded and growing When the weight of leadership feels heaviest, that’s when you prove you’re built for it. ---- 06:28 – Jessica reads a listener question about making hard decisions without anyone to confide in. 06:57 – Michael discusses isolation in leadership and why the Crisp Community exists to combat it. 10:12 – Michael uses a Reddit story and triathlon training as a metaphor for consistency and identity in leadership. 10:54 – Michael describes the moments every entrepreneur questions whether they’re cut out for this. 14:13 – Michael breaks down why knowledge only becomes power when paired with behavioral change. 15:19 – Michael explains why struggle is part of the journey and how adversity builds the next level of leadership. 16:44 – Michael opens up about decision fatigue and the importance of trusting your team. ---- Links & Resources: The Game Changers Summit Steve Jobs Tim Cook ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 387. AMMA — Stop Cleaning Up Their Mess: The Secret to a Self-Sufficient Team 363. AMMA — How to Master Decision-Making Like a Pro 331. AMMA — Failure to Reflect is Failure to Grow: The Brutal Truth About Staying Stuck

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0:00.0	I think sometimes people have this belief that they have to have accomplished something that's massive before they can consider themselves a runner, a cyclist, a gymnast, or whatever.
0:10.7	And the reality of it is, is that if you are doing this thing and you're in the arena and you are sticking with it, you are that.
0:29.6	I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company. I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:31.6	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:41.4	earning a spot on the Inc 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:45.3	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law
0:49.1	from owners do the same for theirs.
0:50.9	In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the
0:54.5	legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the
0:59.2	status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer. This is Jessica, head of coaching
1:05.1	strategy at Chris, and today we're flipping the script for another special edition episode to get
1:10.0	Michael's take on,
1:11.6	how to make critical choices when you're on your own as a leader, overcoming imposter
1:15.7	syndrome even when your business is struggling, and what to do when your team expects
1:19.9	answers you simply don't have.
1:21.9	I would rather decisions happen, even if they're the wrong ones, because the pace
1:26.8	of execution matters a lot more
1:28.4	because we make a wrong decision, somebody learns, and then we make a right one. But if they wait
1:31.7	on me for every decision, by the time I even get there, I'm such a bottleneck at that point,
1:35.9	that it could be weeks or some, at least days. That's coming up on the game-changing attorney
1:41.1	podcast.
1:54.8	All right, back to Michael's favorite time of the day.
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