404. The Dangers of Premature Growth with Eric Siu [Encore Edition]

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Entrepreneurship, Management, Marketing, Business

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 7 October 2025

⏱️ 34 minutes

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Summary

You don’t deserve to go to the next level until you beat the current one. In this encore episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Eric Siu, entrepreneur, investor, and author of Leveling Up. From esports to business, Eric has turned the lessons of gaming into a powerful framework for growth, resilience, and long-term success. Together, they explore how to reframe pain into fuel, why mindset compounds like interest, and what it truly takes to keep leveling up in life and business. Here’s what you’ll learn: How to turn setbacks and psychological pain into power-ups for growth Why focusing on endurance, grit, and long-term bets separates winners from the rest The mindset shifts that transform gaming lessons into real world business advantages The ultimate game is not business or gaming. It is learning how to keep leveling up every single day. ---- Show Notes: 02:39 – How gaming built resilience, teamwork, and skills Eric now applies to business 05:45 – Why gaming, Bitcoin, and other trends are dismissed as “toys” before going mainstream 07:10 – The power of community and how EverQuest shaped Eric’s mindset 08:59 – Defining “power ups” and how habits and mental models fuel growth 13:55 – Why patience and endurance are essential for compounding success 20:48 – Building a brand by teaching, sharing, and learning in public 22:49 – How focus beats shiny object syndrome and leads to faster success Links & Resources: Leveling Up: How to Master the Game of Life by Eric Siu Atomic Habits by James Clear Naval Ravikant Warren Buffett Farnam Street – The Knowledge Project Podcast EverQuest and StarCraft ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. —- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 402. How to Hack Your Biology for an Unfair Edge with Dave Asprey 353. How He Trained His Mind to Never Quit — Using Something You’d Never Guess with James Lawrence 332. Cliff Bleszinski — What the Legal Industry Can Learn From the Gaming Industry

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0:00.0	You don't deserve to go to the next level until you beat the current one.
0:06.3	That's just life.
0:08.1	That's Eric Sue, investor, founder, advisor, and author of leveling up.
0:13.7	There's a circle in there.
0:15.3	And success is on all the edges of the circle.
0:17.9	You start in the middle of it.
0:19.4	And if you're just going in one direction, you're going to hit success fast. You're going to reach one of the edges. But if you
0:23.9	keep changing directions, it's much harder to get to one of the edges to reach quote-unquote success.
0:35.5	I'm Michael Logel, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law from growth company.
0:40.2	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:43.0	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:48.3	earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:52.7	Our approach has been to take everything
0:54.2	we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's
0:58.5	most ambitious and committed law firm owners do the same for theirs. In each episode of this
1:02.6	podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from
1:07.5	those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer.
1:14.1	Today, we're revisiting one of our most popular episodes from the podcast
1:17.4	where I sat down with Eric Sue to discuss how he's reframed pain into opportunities
1:21.9	to ride the rough winds and persevere,
1:24.0	how he ditched ego and embraced an apprentice mentality,
1:26.9	and how he's applied the lessons he's learned as a professional gamer to scale multiple successful businesses.
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