If the Trump administration knew how to get out of its own way, they've had four years, four months, five months in office, and they still haven't really negotiated anything.

They're not very good at this.

I'm Kimberly Atkins Store, and this is Justice by Design, where I talk to solution finders with respect to some of the biggest

issues facing us as a society and as a global community.

I don't know if you're old enough to remember the Daisy ad.

If you're not, I'll include a link to it in the show notes. It was a campaign ad that ran

just once in 1964, featuring a little blonde girl picking the petals of a daisy, counting down

not entirely correctly because she looks to be only about three years old. But at the end,

there is an exploding nuclear plume, something that was meant to catch the attention of Americans.

And it did. It did a lot more than simply help path the way to an election win for Lyndon B. Johnson.

It ushered in the nuclear age in a way that Americas could comprehend. And it also led to measures being

taken over the decades after to prevent a nuclear fallout.

Well, are those things still holding today?

Is the nuclear threat of the past in the past, or is it growing more than ever?

And what can we as Americans do about it?

These are big questions, and that's why I am so glad today to be joined by John Wufthal,

who is the Director of Global Risk at the Federation for American Scientists.

John, thank you so much.

Kimberly, thank you so much for having me.

And also, everyone should check out also in the show notes, a piece in the Washington Post that John and his colleagues at the Federation wrote that is called Why We should worry about nuclear weapons again.

And that's why, I mean, that is where I will start, John, is the, why. What is

the current nuclear reality? I mean, in the past, I would think about it as a race between

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