when the protest began in Los Angeles, the images on television did look scary. And I texted a friend of mine who lives in Los Angeles and said, I hope you're safe and, you know, be careful. And she was like, we just went to the beach. Like everything is fine, you know. That's part of it. That's part of it. Right. Like, I've been talking to people in Los Angeles. Yeah. And they're saying, yeah, I don't know. I don't know what they're talking about.

It's too bad. part of it, right? Like, I've been talking to people in Los Angeles. Yeah. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, DC, there is a big show preparing to be put on on Saturday, one that will involve President

Trump and a military style parade. There are already tanks that can be seen being carted through

the city of DC in preparation. And that creates quite a split screen as there are

actual troops being deployed in Los Angeles and the president is promising that they can be

deployed in other cities if the citizens there choose to protest against the ice raids that are going on across

the country. To me, this looks like a certain sign of authoritarianism, but I want to better

understand where we are in this moment, what the laws and limits are and what we as citizens can do. And so I am so glad

to be joined today by Elizabeth Goitin, who is senior director of the Liberty and National Security

Program at the Brennan Center for Justice. Liza, thank you so much for joining me today.

My pleasure. So I always begin by asking my guest to introduce themselves a little bit.

So let our listeners know a little bit about you and what you do there at Brennan.

Sure. So I am senior director of the Liberty and National Security Program at the Brennan Center.

This program was established after 9-11. So it is not as old as the Brennan Center itself.

But we seek to advance effective national security policies that respect constitutional, sorry, constitutional

values and the rule of law.

That is the purpose of the program.

And I've been at the Brennan Center for about 16 years.

Before that, I was working on the Senate Judiciary Committee for Senator Feingold. And before that, I was at the Department of Justice for several years.

So I've been both in and out of government.

And I will link your very good analysis in just security that is entitled

Unpacking Trump's Order, authorizing domestic deployment of the military.

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