They existed in 1863.

There was no platform for them, Kim.

We've always had Michelle Obama's.

Michelle existed in 1863.

We've had black excellence and black genius, especially led by black women in as well

as we do now.

But 63 gives us the platform so we can see it and feel it and touch it and taste it.

I'm Kimberly Atkins Store, and this is Justice by Design.

So I want you to take a moment and imagine this.

Picture it. America.

There are protests happening on college campuses protesting what students see as an unjust war and America's involvement in it.

There are fights for civil rights and equality as efforts to increase diversity in places like universities are being

thwarted by elected officials. There are fears about the increasing use of police against

citizens. There are people who are working to fight back to bring attention to these

injustices, to demand change in saying that's not what America ought to be. I could be talking

about 2025. But today I'm going to be talking about 1963, which really served as a

foundational flashpoint to the fight for civil rights and the expansion of rights for everyone

here in America. And there's no better person to talk to about that than Dr.

Peneal Joseph, who just has a new book out called Freedom Season, How 1963, Transformed America's

Civil Rights Revolution. Penil, thank you so much for joining me today. Kim, it's great to be here.

So why in this book?

I mean, I know you are a historian.

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