If you know you are a great sinner, but you don't know you have a great Savior, you'll be in shame.

If you know you have a great Savior and you have forgotten that you are a great sinner, you'll be in performance.

And so Jesus wants to save us from both of those traps.

Welcome to Jabba with Julie. I am Julie Slattery, and this podcast is a production of authentic

intimacy, which is a ministry helping you make sense of God and sexuality. And boy,

are we headed there today. We're going to be talking about identity and sexuality. And some of this content comes out of

my new book called Surrendered Sexuality, which will be released on July 1st. But we're talking

about it a little bit early to just get the conversation going, to get you excited, to get me

excited about what God might be doing with this new book. And to have the conversation

today, I'm invited back Pastor Joe Crusoe. Welcome, Joe. Thank you. It's so good to be here again.

Love what we're doing and love that so many people get to download this conversation. Yeah. And for those

of you who did not get to hear or see Joe, if you're watching on video last week,

Joe is a pastor here in Akron, Ohio at Grace Church.

He's an amazing guy, amazing pastor.

He and I have gotten to know each other just in ministry context over the last several years.

And so, Joe, you're going to bring some real life boots on the ground.

How does this flesh out kind of questions and insights as we talk about identity?

Yeah, it's super fun. And identity is so important, A, because it's kind of a cultural buzz

thing right now. Most people are saying, I identify or whatever, but it often is truly the core of where

people's spiritual issues and questions come from. And you're right, they pop up in conversations

on the daily basis, friends, staff, leaders, but then certainly people seeking after the hope

of Jesus and trying to figure out answers to their issues and getting unstuck. So yeah, this is

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