392. How One Startup Is Rewriting the Rules of PI Law with Ray Mieszaniec

The Game Changing Attorney Podcast with Michael Mogill

Michael Mogill

Business, Entrepreneurship, Management, Marketing

5.0 • 539 Ratings

🗓️ 26 August 2025

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

What if the future of personal injury law wasn’t written by tradition — but by a tech startup? In this episode of The Game Changing Attorney Podcast, Michael Mogill sits down with Ray Mieszaniec, Co-Founder and COO of EvenUp, a legal technology company using artificial intelligence to transform how personal injury claims are prepared, resolved, and ultimately valued. From his family’s personal experience with catastrophic injury to building the fastest-growing legal tech startup in history, Ray shares how EvenUp is rewriting the rules of PI law through AI, efficiency, and a relentless drive to level the playing field for plaintiffs. Here’s what you’ll learn: Why Ray’s family’s tragedy planted the seed for a company now disrupting the PI industry How EvenUp’s AI-powered tools are helping firms maximize case values and streamline operations What the rise of autonomous vehicles, fee caps, and private equity mean for the future of PI law — and how firms must adapt now The legal landscape is shifting fast. If you want to see what the next decade of PI law could look like, this episode is your front-row seat. ---- Show Notes: 03:26 – The family tragedy that exposed the imbalance between insurers and victims 07:38 – Founding EvenUp: leveling the playing field with data and AI 11:12 – How missing records and treatment gaps cost firms millions 14:13 – Headwinds in PI law: autonomous vehicles, tort reform, and fee caps 16:19 – How law firms’ attitudes toward AI shifted from fear to adoption 19:56 – Building an AI model for PI law and keeping humans in the loop 23:42 – Why efficiency isn’t optional if firms want to survive fee caps 35:15 – Ray’s definition of being a game changer ---- Links & Resources: EvenUp ABA Journal: AI in Law Tort Reform ---- Do you love this podcast and want to see more game changing content? Subscribe to our YouTube channel. ---- Past guests on The Game Changing Attorney Podcast include David Goggins, John Morgan, Alex Hormozi, Randi McGinn, Kim Scott, Chris Voss, Kevin O’Leary, Laura Wasser, John Maxwell, Mark Lanier, Robert Greene, and many more. ---- If you enjoyed this episode, you may also like: 374. You're Not Too Late: Joe Fried on Finding Purpose in Law 372. The Surprising ROI of Doing the Right Thing with Chaffin Luhana 355. How Two Lawyers Took on Legal Giants and Won with Spetsas Buist

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0:00.0	In the world of personal injury, we are dealing with people who are going through the darkest moments of their life.
0:08.1	Sending an AI bot at them and being like talked to this person instead of a human, that could be bad.
0:13.9	That's Ray Mishanets, co-founder of Even Up.
0:17.3	But if you set expectations correctly, if you can make sure that the proper framing and expectations are set there, we are seeing folks are interacting with AI agents as if they're real people.
0:33.2	I'm Michael Mogul, founder and CEO of Crisp, the nation's number one law firm growth company.
0:38.1	I've built my business through practice, not theory.
0:40.9	Crisp started with just $500 to my name and has grown to over eight figures in revenue over the last few years,
0:46.2	earning a spot on the Inc. 500 list of the fastest growing private companies in America.
0:50.6	Our approach has been to take everything we've learned about generating massive growth within our own organization and help the country's most ambitious and committed law from owners do the same for theirs.
0:59.0	In each episode of this podcast, I sit down with innovative market leaders from the legal industry and beyond to learn from those who thrive in the face of adversity, challenge the status quo, and define what it means to be a true game changer.
1:11.9	I sat down with Ray Mishanians to discuss why the most profitable firms are often the most
1:16.5	efficient, how automation can unlock your team's bandwidth and improve client satisfaction,
1:21.0	and how embracing AI today keeps your firm relevant tomorrow.
1:25.4	Four and a half years ago, I remember doing my first cold calls to lawyers.
1:29.3	They're like, AI, tell me, how is AI going to help me run my law firm?
1:34.9	And then now today, you talk to those very same lawyers and they're like, AI's going to run my
1:40.4	entire law firm.
1:41.2	It's pretty crazy how much has changed over the past four and a half years. That's coming up on the Game Changing Attorney podcast.
1:58.0	Before we begin today's episode, I want to remind you that we aren't beholden to any sponsors or run any ads on this podcast.
2:04.5	This allows us to present all of our episodes raw and unfiltered.
2:07.9	I'm not going to push any made-to-order meal services on you or try to save you any money on your car insurance.
2:12.7	That being said, I have one small request.
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