It's time for episode 380 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay FM recorded Wednesday, January 6th, 2021.

Clockwise, Four People, For where it's a new year, but it's the same old clock.

I am your co-host, Dan Moran, and across the internet for me, sitting in for Micah Sargent this week.

It is the co-founder and host of

Clockwise, Mr. Jason Snell. Hi, Jason. Welcome back. Hi, Dan. We made that old clock. You and me,

we made it. We made the old clock and it stuck around for this many years. Still ticking. Still ticking.

And this show is still ticking. And it's, of course, where we bring on two fantastic guests to talk about four tech topics this week.

To my left, it is the very good friend, the editor, IT Pro today, a podcaster at the incomparable writer of So What, Who Cares?

It's Lisa Schmeiser.

Welcome back, Lisa.

It's a pleasure to be here.

Happy 2021.

Happy 2021. It's a pleasure to have you.

And to my left, she's an analyst at Creative Strategies and with Lisa, the two favorite guests of the

Deerly Departed Download podcast. It's Carolina Milanezzi. Hello, welcome. Thank you very much.

All right, I'm going to kick things off this week.

Apple is apparently progressing on its virtual reality and augmented reality accessories, as we've heard in several reports, with possibly a product even being announced as early as this year.

I think I speak for all of us when I ask, what is the killer app?

Why are these things compelling? Are they compelling? Lisa, any thoughts on this? The killer app, I think, for

augmented reality, it's going to depend on the vendor. For example, I think Microsoft's killer

app in the HoloLens space is going to be in augmented instruction, customer service, repair

areas where you don't have easy access to desks or people

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