It's time for episode 381 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, January 13th, 2021.

Clockwise, Four People, For where we give you one hour of content in half the time.

My name is Dan Moran, and I am joined across the internet by my co-host, my good pal, my dungeon buddy, Mr. Micah Sargent.

How are you doing today, Micah?

I am doing well, Dan. It's a new day, a new dawn, and I'm feeling good. I know I've said that probably once before, thrice before, but once again, it is true. It is true. This time for sure.

Indeed. This is, of course, the show where we have on two

fantastic guests to talk tech with us. To my left this week, it is the CEO and Chief Lackey over at

Rogamiba. Paul Kaffasas, welcome back, Paul. Thank you, Dan. Good to be here. And to my left, it is the senior

cloud advocate at Microsoft, everyone's favorite pop culture, uh, maven. Yeah, sure, we'll go with that.

It's Christina Warren. Welcome back to the show, Christina. Hello, happy to be here. All right,

let's kick things off.

Not for the first time a leak has attested to the existence of Apple's tracking tag product,

the so-called air tags or Apple tags.

This is the, I don't know, fourth, fifth time that we've seen evidence of this product coming without it actually being announced.

What's going on here?

Is this product actually happening?

Is it something people want or even need right now? What's your sort of theory with this whole thing,

Paul? I think it's all a hoax. I think the whole thing is fake. No. As you noted, this is something

that's been leaked from Apple. I think we first saw this in iOS 13. You know, people poked at the OS and discovered

various resources that indicated air tags. And I guess my thinking is that it probably wasn't quite

ready. And then there was this whole pandemic thing where we all just stayed home and no one can really

lose anything. And it doesn't really make sense to release such a product. So I'm fascinated

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