How much harder do you think natural bodybuilding is than enhanced bodybuilding when you can't use

PEDs? I don't think it's harder by any means. I think that one of the issues is just generally speaking

is that a lot of natural bodybuilders feel like they don't get the respect from the enhanced side.

But at the same time, the enhanced athletes hate when natural bodybuilders walk around with this superiority complex of more ethically or morally

better than you because I'm not taking PDs, right? So I think that happens on both sides,

but from an objective standpoint of what it actually is, the

training and the nutrition is clearly just as hard for both individuals. The Gormane podcast, I'm going to show some Mahaley, and I am thrilled to have you back on another journey with us.

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Chris Barracat, we have known each other for quite some time.

Do you remember we met randomly at a coffee shop in Tampa like, oh yes.

When was that?

Dude, um, wow that, I totally forgot about that until you just mentioned it.

Yeah, so I was with my friend and former client Jess at the time.

I think you were in town for the Tampa Pro or the

hurricane day or something. I was dating a girl in Tampa. I was there with her

I think. Okay. No, it was Tampa Pro when Ashley Jones won W, her WPD debut, that's when it was.

So 2021.

Yeah, I think I ran into it might have been Buddy Brew.

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