traditional medicine, what it does is it waits to you're drowning, then it puts a bandaid on the issue,

but it doesn't do root calls, like go up like, why are people drowning, why are people getting thrown in?

And that, that just putting band-aids on things like an SSRI, instead of going to the root cause of they're

disconnected or they're not sleeping well or whatever it is, like that's a big difference.

And it all comes down to incentives, like you mentioned.

Like there's no pharmaceutical company, there's no big PR firm or marketing group pushing connection.

And it's nobody's making money from that.

And so they're not talking about it. What is happening?

What is happening?

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There is a mind-blowing episode coming.

I'll see you inside. Dr. Matt Dawson, you and Dr. Mike Mallin founded Wild Health six years ago.

In Wild Health, it's really cool. You guys are sort of transforming health care through this precise approach to maximizing health span.

Really freaking cool. Something that I guess as I turn 30 I start seeing some gray hairs and like a little bit of a receding hairline going on so

Maximizing the value of my longevity is of high importance to me, but six years ago, Matt, nobody was talking about this stuff yet.

You were a little bit ahead of schedule, would you say?

Yeah, I think so. I think it was, so it was about six years ago, we were, both of us were in

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