The names and the stories in this episode have been omitted to protect the privacy of the individuals involved.

This is Jocco Podcast number 37.

With Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

And with us tonight, I am honored to have retired Chief Warn Officer Roger Hayden.

Here with us tonight as a guest.

Now unless you are in the SEAL teams or you were in the SEAL teams, then you likely don't know who Roger Hayden is.

In fact, I'm going to go ahead and guarantee you don't know who Roger Hayden is.

There is no book, there is no movie, there is no social media, there is no one to Google.

And I've talked before about how there are three types of guys in the SEAL teams.

The guys that built the reputation that the SEAL teams has, the guys that maintain the reputation of the SEAL teams.

And then there is the guys that live off the reputation of the SEAL teams.

And usually those guys didn't contribute much to it in the first place.

But let there be no doubt Roger Hayden is without question, without question.

One of the people, one of the men responsible for building the reputation of the SEAL teams.

He did the massive heavy lifting and laid down the foundation of everything that the SEAL teams are in the jungles of Vietnam.

And he passed on lessons of combat, written, and blood that we carry to this day.

One of the guys here, Roger Hayden, that truly forged the attitude that makes the SEAL teams what the SEAL teams are.

And I'm going to tell you quickly how I first heard of Roger.

So I was back, I was a new guy at SEAL team one. So it's 1991.

And back then, no one, SEALs weren't that popular yet.

And the old SEAL UDT SEAL reunions were not that big of a deal.

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