Hey guys, welcome to episode number 360 of the Industrial Strength Show.

Man, I am excited for this one because joining me here today is one of the all-time favorite

industrial strength show guests. In fact, he was the favorite, the most downloaded

episode of 2020 was with my man Ben Bruno, and he is back almost two years to the day

from his last appearance. He's back joining me here today, and he does not disappoint.

This one is even better than our last conversation, even though we joke at the beginning of the podcast.

Neither of us remember specifically what we spoke about.

Last time he was on the show, but we remember the feedback was insanely positive.

A lot of people asking for him to make a return appearance. They wanted to hear more from him.

So I apologize. It took two years, but here we are, and I know you guys are going to love this one.

We spoke for over an hour and 40 minutes. In fact, I was going to make it a two-parter,

just because we spoke about so many different topics, and there's so much information in this conversation.

But I said screw it. Just give it all to you here this week in one big mega show that I know you guys are going to love.

Another thing, I said this at the end of the podcast, and I really meant to...

Ben is just one of my favorite people to talk training with, because you could just tell the trainers that are in the gym training real clients

and solving real problems day in and day out, and now Ben has been doing that for 15 plus years.

And it shows in his answers, in his views on training, everything's based on experience.

Even we disagree on, or thought we disagreed on certain topics, like you'll hear us talk about full body training versus upper lower splits,

where we thought we had a point of difference there, but then once we start explaining why we each feel the way we feel,

and the specifics, the context behind it, you understand how we each came to our views,

and then actually start to realize, wow, we actually agree on more of that than we thought,

and just very interesting conversation, you're going to learn a ton.

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