As a podcast subscriber, you are automatically entered to win the album Twinsman that I reviewed last week with Matt Parker.

But I just wanted to let you know that I also dropped the YouTube version of that episode so that you could see all the curves and contours of the board.

So go and check that out.

And then I'll be drawing a winner randomly on Monday, March 1st.

So good luck. Today's episode is with Zach Plopper of Wild Coast, and we're discussing that 30 by 30 initiative that the WSL has been asking you to sign and that many professional surfers

have been decrying. It's an environmental initiative that desires to protect 30% of the planet's

oceans and lands by the year 2030. What's troublesome about it is that each country, each government,

and an endless number of bureaucracies and organizations

have a different interpretation for how to protect environments, which environments to prioritize,

and some governments don't actually have any plan in place for how to execute any of this.

So it's a lot to sift through. Facts are fuzzy because pieces are fluid and changing.

And actually, to be honest, I wouldn't be surprised if I misrepresented some of the info in this short introduction that I've already given you.

So that's why I'm going to let Zach Plopper break down all of the details.

He is the associate director at Wild Coast, a non-profit

with a very simply stated goal, conserving and restoring coastal and marine ecosystems for future

generations. Zach is also a former pro surfer. He is a podcast listener who occasionally chimes in

to educate me on things that I've discussed on air.

Or more accurately, he gently corrects things that I've misinformed you about.

And his feedback and insights are, of course, always welcome.

Environmental issues affect everyone, and so they are inherently divisive and they're also almost always

too complex to ever really understand in the brief quick takes that we often provide here

or especially on the grit with chas smith or spit with scott bass and even more damage and

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