Welcome to Spirit Jim. If you've ever wondered whether plant medicines are sacred tools for transformation,

or simply another trend being exploited by modern culture, then this episode is for you.

Paul's guest is Payam, a deeply respected medicine carrier and facilitator of true healing.

But Payam isn't here to sell you bliss or bypass.

He's here to speak the truth,

the raw, often uncomfortable and always liberating truth

about what it really takes to work with psychedelics

as a path to awakening.

In today's conversation,

Paul and Payam explore searching questions, such as are plant medicine's

magical cures or sacred teachers? Is the current surge of psychedelics healing the world or simply

distracting us from the deeper work? And what does it truly take to sit with the soul in ceremony,

not for escape, but for transformation?

They discuss the danger of commidifying ancient medicines, the role of trauma and the wounded healer archetype,

and why many people are chasing visionary experiences instead of doing the deeper work their soul is truly calling for.

Get ready for a profound exploration of what healing really means from someone who walks the

path with humility, integrity and deep reverence.

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And finally, before we dive in with Paul and Payam, we'd like to say thank you for listening,

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