From what he's saying he's taking things that if you were to look at the crime scene logically where there could have been

Predation before the bodies were found of course there's going to be blood smeared in places and of course

There are going to be sticks and leaves. I mean, I just don't even understand

Where are all the dead babies coming from all these people legitimately believe that babies were being sacrificed

On a daily basis across this country in huge numbers

But when you're studying human behavior that they never comes when you know it all every day is a learning experience

Hello, and welcome to the best case worst case

This is Jim Clemente retired FBI profile a former New York City prosecutor writer producer of criminal minds and with me today from afar is the lovely

Hi, everybody. It's francey Hakes former state and federal prosecutor and executive producer and writer of

Audible's newest sports documentary next level featuring Brian branch Jim

I have to say this doesn't happen all that often, but I'm fan-girling out

As you know, I fan girl out over very few people and this

Special guest that you have convinced to come on to the podcast today is someone that I absolutely

Giddyly fan girl out over

That is

Ken landing

How you doing Ken pretty good pretty you tell tell see Ken landing. I mean really that's all he needs to say

Because everyone knows Ken landing Ken landing was my mentor in the FBI and

in the behavioral analysis unit and

We work together on a number of cases and presentations across the country and around the world and

And we we had a great time working together, but Ken

Do you want to tell us a little bit about

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