It is a just a horrific commentary on our society that we don't put these victims in a position

where they can heal from what happens and find justice whenever they're able to come forward.

These people really believe that somehow they would have known if the offender who

conducts these kind of sex offenses in secret was a sex offender and refused to believe

it even after their conviction.

Hello, and welcome to Best Case Worse Case.

This is Jim Clemente.

We're tired of the eye profile of former New York City prosecutor and writer producer

of Criminal Minds.

And with me today, from a distance, again, I think I've been kicked out of California

now, James.

This is Francy Hakes, former state and that's right, former state and federal prosecutor

and executive producer, co-creator and writer of the brand new Audible original Next Level,

which features Alabama and now Detroit Lions football star Brian Branch.

Yeah, that was a great, great experience.

I know you loved it and I hope everybody listens to it on Audible.

And if you don't have Audible, if you have Audible, then go right to it.

But if you don't have Audible, you can sign up for a 30-day free trial and listen to the

whole thing.

Well, and also, James, most people don't know that if you are an Amazon Prime member,

you get two free titles on Audible.

So if you've not taken advantage of that as a Prime member, which God, during the pandemic,

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