#336 John Cooper Goes Off on Third-Waysim: Is the West Worth Saving?

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Alisa Childers

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality

4.8 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2025

⏱️ 112 minutes

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After the attempted assassination of Charlie Kirk, a lot of masks slipped. In this no-fluff conversation, Alisa sits down with John Cooper (Skillet) to unpack why so many Christian leaders waffle, what “third-wayism” really is, and how subtle, academic-sounding concepts like standpoint epistemology are eroding biblical authority and Western civilization itself.They trace the ideas, test them against Scripture, and tackle hard questions: Is “neutrality” real? Why does third-wayism always drift left on abortion and justice? How should pastors lead without playing “footsy-cakes” with the culture? Plus: a practical framework for discernment (fear of God over fear of man), why many “normies” are done outsourcing their thinking to evangelical elites, and a hopeful look at what God is doing in this cultural moment. ------------------------------------------------------------------This video is sponsored by:SEVEN WEEKS COFFEETaste the Coffee that is Saving Lives.Go to www.sevenweekscoffee.com for more information.Use my code: ALISAFOUNDATION WORLDVIEWFoundation Worldview creates curriculum series that will empower your child to thinkBiblically in a deceptive world. Go to www.foundationworldview.com for more information! Use my code: ALISA--------------------------------------------------------------------To Purchase the new CD, “Beauty from the Ash”, go to www.alisachilders.com/musicThere you can get the CD, backing tracks, string charts, rhythm charts and stems.Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/alisachildersTo order “Another Gospel”: www.alisachilders.com/another-gospel/To order “Live Your Truth": www.alisachilders.com/live-your-truth-and-other-lies/To order “The Deconstruction of Christianity”: https://alisachilders.com/the-deconstruction-of-christianity/For Alisa's Merch: https://alisachilders.creator-spring.comTo see what gear Alisa uses to record her podcast, go to:https://kit.co/alisachildersPotential Sponsors: https://alisachilders.com/sponsor-request-form/Product links are affiliate links which means if you buy something we'll receive a small commission.

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0:00.0	we watched a guy get shot in the neck for believing all the same things we believe.
0:04.5	Yes.
0:05.5	And then we watched our culture celebrate it, and many of our Christian leaders really waffle
0:11.4	and just kind of be like, oh, well, you know, like you said, maybe he had it coming.
0:15.0	The devil is very happy to march in a whole bunch of lies through politics if you're not going to be involved in politics.
0:21.1	Like he can bring in, oh sure, we got socialism, we got Marxism, we got all sorts of stuff we can bring in politically. The Christians are silent. So, hey, yeah, that's awesome. I'll bring that right in the front door. I know a lot of pastors in the last three weeks are, they're kind of complain. They're kind of like whiny. I don't want to be rude to them, but they're kind of winy pants.
0:39.1	You know, kind of like, you don't understand the pressure we're under to let people we know we love them. And we're getting yelled at from this side and this side and this side. And I'm like, boo. Yeah, yeah. You've had it easy, bro. You had it easy, and you've never taken an arrow.
0:56.6	Wow.
0:56.8	You've never taken a punch.
0:58.9	It was left to Elisa and my friend Graham and Charlie Kirk.
1:02.8	It was left to these people to go out and just get hated.
1:06.2	You've never taken a punch.
1:17.9	Yeah. never taken a punch. Hey, everyone.
1:19.8	This is the Elisa Childers. This is the Elisa Childers podcast, and it's always my
1:22.4	goal to help equip Christians to identify the core beliefs of historic Christianity,
1:27.1	discern its counterfeits,
1:28.3	and proclaim the gospel with clarity, kindness, and truth. And I think the cultural moment that we're in
1:32.5	right now, I'm beginning to see how much more subtle the shifts are and can be and how much harder
1:38.3	they are to see. So I am so excited to bring you a conversation I had with John Cooper, who is the lead singer of the
1:45.4	band Skillet. Many of you know and love John. He's one of my most popular guests, and I'm telling
1:50.1	you guys, he did not hold back. We talked about so many different things. There's so many highlights
1:55.0	for me on this episode, but one of the reasons that we came together to have this conversation
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