This is Jocco podcast number 332 with Echo Charles and me, Jocco Willink. Good evening,

echo. So when I first started this podcast, when we first started this podcast, I was talking

about different situations, how I handled different situations, what I thought about various

subjects, different viewpoints I had concerning leadership and really concerning human nature,

and almost immediately started getting feedback and started getting asked questions and people

would say, hey, have you studied stoicism or did you do a lot of work looking at Nietzsche

or some other ancient or modern school of philosophy? And the short answer was that, no, I

didn't, I didn't do that. I mean, I left high school during the military, so there wasn't

this big educational background for me. I'm not an academic of any kind. In fact, there

was a funny, one of the earliest live events that I did, and it was a relatively cultured

audience out there, and someone asked, hey, who's your favorite philosopher? And I said,

lemme. And no one laughed, like I laughed, but no one else laughed. And so I added, I said,

lemme from Motorhead, and a couple of people sort of awkwardly laughed, but not much.

And later on, we explored this idea a little bit more on the podcast, and because, look,

there's much to be learned from old philosophers and old thinkers. And as it turns out, I agree

with, and I'm aligned with a lot of what they say, no doubt about it. I'm not trying

to say anything negative about these ancient philosophers and the theories that they had.

But the fact of matters, I just didn't study them. I mean, like I said, I was a shhhh,

shitty high school student. I didn't, I don't think I read any books in high school. So,

yeah, I didn't learn anything about these things. I just figured these things out through

my own random trials and tribulations in life. And it was a similar situation with Jordan

Peterson, when he came on the podcast for the first time. It was really obvious that we

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