This is Jockel Podcast number 331 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink.

Good evening, Echo.

Good evening.

Also joining us for the Back to Back episodes, Ben Milligan, author of the book by Water

Beneath the Walls.

If you haven't listened to Podcast 330, go back and listen to that one.

If you really want to start at the beginning of the Ben Milligan experience, then you've

got to go back and listen to 298, Ben Milligan, a former seal teammate of mine who has written

this incredible book about the history of special operations and how from this convoluted

contorted history, there ends up being this random group of men from the Navy that become

the Go Anywhere Commando of Choice for the military.

So, there you go, Ben.

Well said.

Thanks for coming back, man.

That's better than I could.

So we got barely in three hours on the last podcast.

We got through World War II in this convoluted crazy story of hits and misses of surfaces

and gaps.

And we're going to roll into now the post-war period.

Postwar, career.

When I was writing the book, I really didn't want to have a book that was Half World War

II and half everything else, but it's kind of out and it up.

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