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The Symbolic World

315 - Fr. Turbo Qualls and David Patrick Harry - Beauty and the Ascetic

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8824 Ratings

🗓️ 9 November 2023

⏱️ 85 minutes

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Summary

For this week’s podcast, I sat down with Fr. Turbo Qualls and David Patrick Harry to discuss beauty and iconography in the Orthodox Christian tradition, why beauty is a part of the Church despite Christ leading a simple life, giving back to God, the meaning and purpose of icons in worship, balancing beauty and charity, the question of idolatry, the duality of externals, and more.

Fr. Turbo Qualls is the rector at St. Mary of Egypt, Serbian Orthodox Church in Kanses City Missouti, where he lives with his wife Juliana and their children. He has lectured in various parts of the United States in regard to the work of evangelization and cultural outreach.

David Patrick Harry is a religious studies scholar and has a YouTube channel called Church of the Eternal Logos that’s devoted to Orthodox Christian apologetics, his academic work, as well as addressing topics such as comparative mysticism, Gnosticism, world religions, esoteric traditions, the spirituality of technology, and much more.

Check out David’s channel: Church of the Eternal Logos: https://www.youtube.com/@ChurchoftheEternalLogos

Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/awabHcHOY_k


Timestamps:
0:00 - Coming up
0:50 - Intro music
1:16 - Introduction
1:46 - Aesthetics in the Orthodox Church
3:22 - Symbols and beauty in the Church
8:14 - Why the Church prioritizes beauty
13:12 - Give the best back to God
18:04 - An expansive view
20:47 - The beauty and the ascetic
25:39 - Synthesis vs confusion
33:33 - Reaching mankind through beauty
40:49 - Balancing beauty with charity
48:58 - The duality of externals
57:40 - A commodity
1:05:00 - A relationship
1:18:31 - The plateau
1:22:03 - A new context for beauty


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Transcript

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0:00.0

I think a lot of people that struggle with the beauty aspect of the churches are people that

0:05.2

look at, let's say the story of Christ and look at his crucifixion, they look at the poverty

0:10.2

of the images in the gospel.

0:12.9

They're like, why then do you have these golden temples and why do you have all this powerful

0:19.1

imagery?

0:20.4

And the truth is that Orthodox Christianity tends to like a yes and, right?

0:26.2

We don't have a no but.

0:28.1

It's like yes and.

0:29.8

And one of the images that's important in scripture is the eschatological image.

0:34.5

Although Christ, even in his life, the way that he lived very simply and walked, you know,

0:39.3

with sandals on the ground, he also presented this vision of the coming of the Son of Man as this

0:45.3

glorious finality where all things will come together. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello everyone.

1:15.1

It is my great joy to be here with David Patrick Henry and Father Turbo.

1:20.8

This is something that has been preparing itself for quite a while.

1:23.6

I've been looking forward to meeting Father Turbo.

1:25.5

We've had a lot of conversations,

1:28.1

you know, in messaging and email and stuff. So it's great to finally meet him in person.

1:33.3

And so David Patrick from the channel of the Church of the Eternal Logos, you can check that out,

1:38.0

is going to lead the conversation. I'm going to talk about beauty, about icons. And so,

1:43.0

yeah, take it away, David.

1:44.9

Yeah, I was really excited.

1:46.0

Thanks again, Jonathan, for having us on.

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