314 - Dr Martin Shaw - The New Odyssey

The Symbolic World

Jonathan Pageau

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Education

4.8 • 824 Ratings

🗓️ 3 November 2023

⏱️ 50 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Martin Shaw will be a speaker at the Symbolic World Summit next year in Tarpon Springs, Florida. In this conversation we discuss pagan stories, including The Odyssey and The Iliad, our current moment in the West, the return of paganism and a desire for Kleos (imperishable glory) in modern life. We also talk about how much paganism differs from Christianity, wrestling with Scripture as a mythographer, and Martin’s journey to Orthodox Christianity.

Dr Martin Shaw is a writer, storyteller, and mythologist. Award-winning author of seventeen books, his most recent, Bardskull, was Guardian Book of the Day and described by the Sunday Times as “rich and transgressive.” He is a wilderness rites of passage guide and spent four years living in a tent. Shaw founded the Oral Tradition and Living Myth courses at Stanford University and is described by the Irish Times as an “interloper from the medieval.” An Eastern Orthodox Christian, over the last twenty-five years Shaw has introduced thousands of people to myth and how it speaks to our age. He is widely published: Orion, The Sun, Mississippi Review, Poetry International and many others.

Original YouTube version: https://youtu.be/U4BVKOBrnTY
Dr. Martin Shaw’s website: https://drmartinshaw.com/
Substack: https://martinshaw.substack.com/

Join me and Dr. Martin Shaw and others at the Symbolic World Summit in Tarpon Springs, Florida.
Date: Feb 29-Mar 2, 2024
Tickets start at $399: https://thesymbolicworld.com/summit
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Timestamps:
0:00 - Coming up next
1:00 - Intro music
1:24 - Introduction
1:44 - The Symbolic World Summit
5:12 - What stood out rereading The Odyssey
10:13 - What paganism looks like
13:58 - The Iliad
14:57 - Christ in The Odyssey
20:28 - Struggling with Scripture
24:29 - Relating to Biblical stories
26:56 - Samson
31:16 - Pandemonium and understanding the West
33:07 - Tell me about the Summit
38:00 - Martin's transformation
42:01 - I'm not a classicist
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0:00.0	And you and I sat surrounded by broken glass, smoking these cigars and drinking Guinness,
0:05.6	do you remember at the top of Grafton Street?
0:08.9	And the thing you said, and I agreed with, you said, you know, myth and story is just
0:14.4	the best way to talk about almost everything.
0:18.2	It's the indigenous way to talk about everything.
0:22.5	It's the classical way to talk about everything. It's the Arthurian way. It's the Irish way. It's the Russian way. It's the
0:27.7	Aboriginal way. It's what we've always done. There's a very old notion I'm interested in,
0:33.1	which is human beings get made. It's actually a process. And if you don't have connection to stories, rather like a cloak, then you are prone to enormous floods of anxieties. You get older. As you experience the duress of life, despite all the gadgetry, if we don't have this very ancient technology called
0:57.0	a story close to hand, we're unequipped in some way.
1:15.6	This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world. So hello everyone. I am overjoyed to be with Martin Shaw again. He is Martin Joe's been on my channel before. We've done some events in Ireland and in England. He is a mythographer, professor at Stanford, a wonderful writer, amazing storyteller, and he is going to be one of the headline speakers for the Symbolic World Summit.
1:46.3	So I'm really excited to be able to continue our exchanges. And so Martin, thanks for,
1:52.7	thanks for coming on.
1:54.2	Jonathan, delighted to be here and very much looking forward to Florida in February.
2:00.1	And so, Martin, you are a storyteller in ways that is difficult for modern people to understand.
2:06.5	So this is something that I also at first didn't totally grasp.
2:10.3	And in meeting you, I started to understand it, which is that you are one of the few people,
2:16.0	I don't know, left in the world, not many people that tell
2:18.9	stories over sometimes days, you know, like hours and then sometimes days.
2:23.9	And you are getting ready now to give a version of the Odyssey.
2:28.7	Yeah, that's true, Jonathan.
2:30.3	I'm going to be telling the truncated version from Friday night through to Sunday afternoon,
2:36.5	really without a breath. That's the synopsis. That's the synopsis. So I'll report back to you
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