This is Jockel Podcast number 313 with Echo Charles and me, Jockel Willink. Good evening,

echo good evening. He looks like any other ordinary young afghan, a dusting of a

dark beard, sun-leathered face, a small child clinging to his side. Only Nazafula,

24 is a proud member of afghan's ISIS affiliate known as ISIS-K or

informally as Daesh. He has long been wanted by everyone from US troops and

the now defunct Afghan security forces and the Taliban, formerly known as the

Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan. Nazafula says he joined the terrorist group

around five years ago out of frustration that the Taliban was dishonest about

the status of its shadowy leader. We kept asking the Taliban to show us video of

Mullah Omar, but we couldn't get any, he claims. That is why the Daesh here was

created. They seemed truthful and said they were going to implement Sharia law,

so that is why I joined them. Taliban founder Omar died in 2013 yet it was

kept secret for more than two years. Most ISIS-K recruits are believed to have

defected from Taliban branches in Afghanistan and neighboring Pakistan seeking

an even more extreme interpretation of Islam with more international rather than

domestic-centered goals of caliphate control. Since then the terrorist outfit

has attracted a wealth of foreign recruits bent on attacking NATO, Afghan

forces and the insurgency turned Taliban government. Since the Emirate came to

power on August 15th, ISIS-K has waged a deadly spat of suicide attacks and

targeted bombings across multiple provinces and claimed dozens of lives.

While some assaults have targeted the Taliban, the vast majority have been

inflicted upon innocent civilians, particularly the minority Shiite population.

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