Okay, apparently I need to use this cold open to defend my honor.

Oh, no.

You're listening to the other podcast, aren't you?

From the vicious slander that apparently has been aired on a competing Linux podcast.

Wait, what did Adam say?

I think it was more review.

What?

What did I do?

The Refind is Not a bootloader conversation came up.

Oh yeah. It doesn't matter. And it does matter. Nope. Doesn't matter. Here we are to talk about why it matters. You've brought this on yourself. Here we go. Technically correct. No, it's not. It is, listen. Okay. All right. This is, this is delude diary's material potentially, so.

Okay.

I will keep it short.

I will just say, though,

if you are getting to the point where you are manually configuring your boot process, which you are clearly flirting with now. Oh, no, you haven't listened to this week's episode yet. Oh, okay. Did you abandon the no, I did it. It's done. Oh, okay. Well, no, that's, that's... The only point I would make is that it's important to know what each piece is doing and what is

happening at each stage of the boot process if you are going to manually configure things. Because if you don't know what... The reason I say Refind is not a bootloader is because you still need a bootloader. If you have Refined, you still need a bootloader downstream of Refind.

Yeah, it's a bootloader loader.

Yeah, okay.

He calls it a boot manager.

I read, I spent a lot of time on Rod's books.

I learned. you still need a bootloader downstream of refind. Yeah, it's a bootloader loader. Yeah, okay, he calls it a boot manager.

I read, I spent a lot of time on Rod's books.

I learned about it all. Dude, you've been on Rod's books. Okay, now we can speak a common language. I, you're probably going to yell at your radio again this week because I explain to Adam how a UEFI boots into the OS to explain a problem he's been having.

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