This is CBSI in the world. I'm John Batchett with Terry Anderson. He and Kathy Ritei have

a new book. Renewing Indigenous economies. The book has many practical explanations, not

only to those of us who are not Native Americans in Indigenous people, but to the people

who are growing up in the reservations or who have visited reservations have relatives

there about what is to be done. There are practical recommendations which will come

to, but we have to answer, in least in part, how we got to this impasse where one year

the 2020, the Supreme Court can declare that half of Oklahoma's is a reservation that has

rights that cannot be taken away by the state. And in 2022, suddenly, no, it's a limited

amount of rights you have. The state is supreme. How did that happen in two years? Well,

it starts with a very famous man, John Marshall. Terry has taught me this over the years,

but there's a Marshall trilogy. And it turns on, and this is economy of scene, Terry. It

turns on the Cherokee Nation, which was forced to give up its homes and robbed of everything

that it had created for centuries and pushed to the west, the trail of tears to Oklahoma.

What did Marshall do? Why did he do it? And what was the result, Terry? Well, John Marshall

has long been a hero of mine or was, at least until I studied much more of the Marshall

trilogy as you've explained. John Marshall was a great supporter of property rights of

individual rights of limited government, except when it came to dealing with American

Indians. And that was all part of a history that treated American Indians as if they had

no ownership of land, and therefore it was okay to move them off of land. If they didn't

own it, well, then it was there for anybody to take and use, put to use. And so Marshall

in the trilogy said that these people are not civilized, that they are to be treated

as awards. And he said the relationship was like that of award to his guardian, the American

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