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3/4: Explorers: A New History (A Norton Short) Paperback – August 5, 2025 by Matthew Lockwood (Author)

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🗓️ 19 April 2025

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3/4: Explorers: A New History (A Norton Short) Paperback – August 5, 2025 
by  Matthew Lockwood  (Author)
https://www.amazon.com/Explorers-New-History-Norton-Short/dp/1324110317
Unfurling a tapestry of surprising and historically overlooked figures spanning forty centuries and six continents, historian Matthew Lockwood narrates lives filled with imagination and wonder, curiosity, connection, and exchange. Familiar icons of exploration like Pocahontas, Columbus, Sacagawea, and Captain Cook find new company in the untold stories of people usually denied the title “explorers,” including immigrants, indigenous interpreters, local guides, and fugitive slaves. He highlights female voyagers like Gudrid Far-Traveler and Freydís Eiríksdóttir, Viking women who sailed to North America in 1000 AD, and Mary Wortley Montagu, whose pioneering travels to Constantinople would lead to the development of the world’s first smallpox vaccine. Figures like Ghulam Rassul Galwan, a guide for European travelers in the Himalayas, reveal the hidden labor, expertise, and local enthusiasm behind many grand stories of discovery. Other characters, like David Dorr, a man born into slavery in New Orleans who embarked on a Grand Tour of Europe and Egypt, embody discovery and wonder as universal parts of the human condition.
As Lockwood makes clear, people of every background imagine new worlds. Adventurers from every corner of the globe search for the unknown and try to understand it, remaking the world and themselves in the process. Exploration is for everyone who sets off into the unknown. It is the inheritance of all.
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0:00.0

This is CBS Island the World. I'm John Batchel. Exploring the planet through time and space,

0:05.8

thanks to Matthew Lockwood, his new book Explores a New History, looks at our planet from the point

0:12.4

of view of people who were there, but don't get written up as famous explorers. They did explore.

0:19.7

They explored Europe, some instances. They explored medical science.

0:24.5

We turned to a story I had never heard before, and it connects to the people of the United States.

0:30.8

There was a smallpox pandemic that stretched across the Atlantic, the end of the 18th century.

0:37.6

1772, 74, you've read about how the Adams family risked inoculation of the children

0:44.7

and the ordeal because you get sick right away and then come back.

0:50.1

Smallpox vaccination.

0:51.3

Where did that come from?

0:53.4

Who was Mary Wortley-Montague? And what did she discover, Matthew?

0:58.6

Yes, so Mary Wortley-Montyue is fascinating figure. She's the wife of a British ambassador to Constantinople, the Ottoman court.

1:08.3

And she insists on traveling with him there and traveling in part over land

1:13.9

because she was curious about the worlds she was encountering for the first time. And I think her

1:21.5

story is a really important one when we think about the history of exploration, because exploration

1:25.9

is also always about exchange.

1:28.3

It's about exchange of ideas and information.

1:31.3

And her story is the story of a particular exchange that had really important consequences for the world.

1:39.3

So she arrives in Constantinople, the wife of an ambassador, and is someone who's curious about breaking

1:48.5

down the walls that exist between Europeans and Constantinople and the people, the people.

1:55.4

And one of the things she encounters in attempting to get to know Ottoman women in particular, is this practice of variolation.

2:05.3

So, variolation, as far as we can tell, begins in China in the 16th century,

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