Professor Matthew Lockwood, his book is Explores a new history.

There are too many directions to go, Matthew, forgive me.

I rush past Mungo Park, wonderful story, has lots of guides.

Importantly, the guides are entrepreneurs, and they gain as much from their travels as Mungo Park does,

but Mungo Park is celebrated back in Europe.

David Dore, who is he?

Yes, so David Dore is another fascinating figure.

And this is one of these figures who leaves his own account

and his own writing and his own words.

So he's born into slavery in Louisiana

in the 1820s. And as a young man, he has promised his freedom if he accompanies his enslaver to

Europe, on a European tour. And they travel through England and France. He stands in

Notre Dame Cathedral and marvels of the fact that he, an enslaved man, is walking on the graves of

kings and queens. They travel through Europe to Constantinople and eventually the Egypt. And Egypt is

what strikes David Dor most strongly.

And he has this moment where he's standing before the pyramids in Giza and imagining the men and

women who built these vast and important structures. And it's a moment of great pride for him

because he realizes it dawns on him that the men and women who built these structures are Africans like him.

And I think this is a really important moment because when we're thinking about discovery

and thinking about it as being a matter of perspective,

that discoveries in the eye of the beholder, David Dorr's story is really striking.

Because he wasn't the first person to stand before the pyramids at Giza.

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