Hi, I'm Helen and I'm Sarah and this is the Swiggly Careers podcast, a weekly show to help you navigate

the ups and downs in your squiggly career and share lots of practical ideas for action to leave you

with a little bit more confidence, clarity and control. And today we are going to be talking about

how to redefine your relationship with work.

Or perhaps, if you feel like you never really got started with a definition, it's just more

actively defining it in the first place. And we've been prompted to cover this by quite a lot of

stuff in the news, a bit of noise perhaps, on this topic of quiet quitting.

I don't know if any of you have seen it, but it has originated on TikTok and I've seen it in

multiple newsletters. It's been all over my LinkedIn and I've read about it in The Guardian,

the Metro, Refinery 29, the list goes on. So there's quite a lot of noise about it. So we thought

we'd start with what is this

quiet quitting thing all about? And then really how does it connect into a potential need to

redefine or define your relationship with work? Okay. So when Sarah first sent me the article

I'm quiet quitting, I thought it meant like, see you later. I'm like leaving this job. I thought it meant like,

you know, rather than just like formally handing your notice and I thought I'm actually quitting.

And I was like, oh, is that a bit irresponsible? This is a funny trend. You're just like leaving.

But it doesn't actually mean like outright quitting your job. It's really about quitting the idea

of going above and beyond the day job. So all that

like extra work that you do in the evening when you're checking emails, you know, you take things

home, you're still thinking about work, even when you probably should have, you know, you've

stopped being paid to think about work. It's about really the idea of quietly quitting doing that stuff any longer, no longer like being like, oh, I've got

a hustle constantly to get ahead. It's like my day is done, my work day is done and therefore,

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