Hello, Bruce, and welcome back to the Squiggly Careers podcast.

I feel really bad because you said that no one comes back.

You're not allowed to come back.

Bruce is back.

Only Bruce.

Bruce is our book best friend and we are very excited to talk about book number two, Fortitude

today.

Thank you very much.

So let's talk about the word fortitude for a moment, because this is a book

all about resilience, what it is, what it isn't, and what we might need to develop instead.

And you've chosen deliberately to call it fortitude. So what's the distinction between resilience

and fortitude and why is it an important distinction to make?

Well, you know, for me, they're broadly synonymous in the sense that, you know,

I'm not trying to, I'm trying to say that resilience is our capacity to re-energize,

to bounce back to sort of deal with unpredictability and uncertainty.

But the resilience word itself has become very tired for a lot of people, I think.

You know, I started writing this book pretty much as COVID started, the first round of

COVID started.

I remember chatting to a few people when you were allowed to go back and meet people in person.

I said, I'm writing a book on resilience.

And there was a weariness with a lot of people.

They'd go, oh, God, resilience. In fact, I've got a friend who works at the Whittington Hospital.

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