#290 - CIA “Criminal” Spy: How I Infiltrated Most RUTHLESS Cartel | Matthew Hedger & Shawnee Delaney

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🗓️ 4 April 2025

⏱️ 200 minutes

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SPONSORS: 1) Download ACORNS: https://www.acorns.com/julian (***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Matthew Hedger is a former "NOC" Spy for CIA. His program was Top-Secret and completely off-books. By the end of his run, he had successfully infiltrated the Mexican Cartels as one of their chief money launderers. Shawnee Delaney is an Ex-DIA clandestine ops officer, expert on cybersecurity, insider threat program development, surveillance, & investigation. She took part in the hunt for Osama Bin Laden. FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey GUEST LINKS - MATT LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/matthew-hedger-692a30324/ - SHAWNEE Website: https://www.vaillancegroup.com - SHAWNEE LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/company/spyex/ ****TIMESTAMPS**** 0:00 - CIA Noc Spy, Matt leaked on Dark Web, USAID 15:50 - "Going Black", Money Laundering for CIA inside Cartels, CIA Disguises 24:35 - Matt & Shawnee on how to play deep cover role 24/7 33:35 - How CIA "uses" young officers 38:21 - CIA-Mossad Joint Operation 43:34 - How Matt initially connected with Mexican Cartels 50:25 - Old School Spy Comms 53:15 - Foreign Intel Data Breaches 57:53 - CIA operations in America, Data Privacy, Corporate Data Security 1:08:15 - CIA & DARPA Tech 1:13:45 - Shawnee breaks down AI Threats 1:30:55 - Matt pulls a fast one story, "Politeness & Familiarity" Theory 1:41:02 - Paranoia in Spying 1:42:15 - Matt infiltrates Cartel 1:49:38 - Types of targets Matt wanted 1:53:05 - How Matt psychology moves targets 1:55:20 - Using Banks to launder money 2:00:29 - Fent Problems 2:04:25 - Steering undercover criminal work into CIA work 2:08:39 - Matt turns a Top-10 Bank C-Suite Exec Story 2:25:31 - Matt becomes cartels' "guy" 2:33:25 - Matt's day-to-day cover while working cartels, Addiction to Danger 2:40:05 - Matt's bar-killing story 2:44:05 - The Cartel torture scene Matt witnessed 2:46:25 - Meetings w/ senior cartel leaders 2:49:30 - The Moral repercussions of Matt's spy work 2:54:25 - CIA & The Murder of Kiki Camarena 2:57:15 - Cartels designated terrorist groups 3:01:32 - The strange capture of Cartel Leader "El Mayo" 3:05:38 - Matt remembers undercover situations where he was terrified 3:08:32 - Matt gives more details on how foreign intel doxxed him on Dark Web 3:12:45 - Matt "left" CIA 3:17:27 - Matt & Shawnee love the comments CREDITS: - Host & Producer: Julian Dorey - Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@UCyLKzv5fKxGmVQg3cMJJzyQ Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 290 - Matthew Hedger & Shawnee Delaney Music by Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	This was an extremely high-level person in a very well-known international bank.
0:04.1	His bank had already been being used by some of the people I knew in the money laundering world,
0:08.7	the criminal side of it at this point.
0:10.2	This was early on in your time infiltrating the cartel.
0:12.5	Yes.
0:12.8	How did you make contact with him?
0:14.3	It goes to creating that, what I call perceived serendipitous encounter, walked up to him in a hotel lobby bar.
0:19.8	So let's say I knew his favorite book
0:21.6	by my walk in having just started. I hope that he starts a conversation with me, not the other way
0:25.8	around. Did you know after that first one that you had him? I knew he was the type that we could
0:29.3	get there. What made him the type? He was very able to be influenced and he was very quick to
0:34.0	whoa. That was the more significant part. I knew when the big ass came would be a yes.
0:39.5	You have to be. Because you're dropping cover. You're not dropping cover. I work for CIA. You're
0:43.0	dropping cover that I'm not just this corporate guy. I want him to come to the conclusion I'm a
0:47.3	money launderer eventually. I'm going to say like, no, I'm a regular businessman. I do this,
0:51.1	but I'm going to keep dropping stuff to where he he's like I think Matthew might be up to some shady shit and what types of psychological tactics are you
0:58.0	using to push him over the edge the meeting where you do the big pitch I wanted him
1:02.0	to he was like oh I can do so much more that's one thing that can be done the next is
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1:15.9	Jesus Christ. That's Jason Boren.
1:20.3	Welcome back, man. How are you? I'm good. I'm good. We got cut off halfway last time, so it made sense we had to bring you right back in.
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