#289 - DARPA Scientist on Intelligent Life, The Universe, God & AI | Lee Cronin

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🗓️ 1 April 2025

⏱️ 203 minutes

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(***TIMESTAMPS in description below) ~ Lee Cronin is a world-renowned scientist focused on bridging the gap between Physics and Biology via Chemistry. He has been involved in Top Secret DARPA projects (much of which he cannot discuss publicly). Lee is also well known for crafting "Assembly Theory" with theoretical physicist, Sara Imari Walker. PATREON: https://www.patreon.com/JulianDorey FOLLOW JULIAN DOREY: INSTAGRAM (Podcast): https://www.instagram.com/juliandoreypodcast/ INSTAGRAM (Personal): https://www.instagram.com/julianddorey/ X: https://twitter.com/julianddorey LEE CRONIN'S LINKS: - WEBSITE: https://www.croninlab.com - X: https://x.com/leecronin?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor ****TIMESTAMPS**** 00:00 - Lee Cronin’s Scientific Method, Creationist Hate Lee 08:20 - Understanding How Universe Works 19:00 - Lee Describes Himself as Anarchist 30:11 - Why It’s Important to be Wrong (Albert Einstein) 41:30 - Science in Advancements 52:53 - AI Takeover Breakdown, Complete Universe Breakdown 01:00:01 - AI Doomers are Wrong 01:12:29 - AI Optimists are ALSO Wrong, FB BS AI Chat 01:20:51 - The AI Medic vs Human Doctors, Elon is Wrong 01:27:04 - How Does Instinct Work 01:41:21 - Why We Are NOT in a Simulation, Instinct is Intelligence 01:51:03 - Sam Altman Should have a Real Job, ChatGPT 02:03:47 - Does Lee Believe in God 02:13:21 - Science vs Religion Debate 02:25:19 - Lee on Climate Change & Increase CO2 & Future Implications 02:28:38 - What is Time? 02:39:27 - Lee Working with Sarah, Assembly Theory 02:56:03 - Lee & Sarah’s Paper on Assembly Theory Work 03:09:49 - Are We Alone? Chemputer CREDITS: - Host & Producer: Julian D. Dorey - In-Studio Producer & Editor: Alessi Allaman - https://www.youtube.com/@alessiallaman Julian Dorey Podcast Episode 289 - Lee Cronin Music by Artlist.io Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	When people talk about AI and they say AI is going to kill us, let's ask ourselves a second,
0:05.2	what do we mean by AI and life and stuff?
0:07.4	Life is matter that tries to perpetuate itself into the future by active acts of replication
0:15.0	and evolution.
0:16.2	Matter that solves problems to ensure its own survival is unique to living systems.
0:21.2	So we have origin of life, instinct, consciousness, abstraction, and the ability to be intelligent.
0:27.2	So for me, they're all connected together on one lineage.
0:30.1	Now human beings have created technology and technology is another lineage in evolution.
0:34.7	Technological evolution, the ability to imagine things in your head and go,
0:37.7	oh, I'm not going to make that car, or make that car, or do this experiment, it really makes
0:42.1	evolution very rapid. So when we start to talk about AI becoming sentient, that's actually not
0:47.8	correct, because the AI has not evolved on that lineage. It's kind of taken a sideswet.
0:53.0	AIs cannot exist without humans.
0:56.0	This is where the AI doomers are just making stuff up.
0:59.0	I mean, you mentioned earlier you walked us through, you know, Big Bang and
1:03.0	eventually get to Earth, it's 4.2 billion years old, approximately life forms,
1:07.0	but like, do you believe in God?
1:09.0	Do you think there's something above it that we can't scientifically explain at this time?
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1:21.8	They're both a huge huge help. Thank you.
1:35.7	You don't have a lot of opinions.
1:37.6	You've only been here like a half hour.
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