Transparency is so crucial on social media and being genuine because you can't sort of maintain

online persona that kind of isn't you and so if you don't know something be truthful and just I'm up to the fact and I do this all the time I found a new tool in an illustrator the other day that's been out for 10 years

Didn't know about it. I use it every day and that software and it's quite embarrassing. I just owned up to the fact and yes there are a lot of people in the comments that said how could you not know that it's right there but then half the comments were like I didn't know this either that's mind blowing so you will help people no matter what you kind of put out there.

Just you know don't be afraid to correct if you get it wrong which does happen. I'm going to do. My next guest that's featured on our podcast today is someone I've met in person at least twice now and we started in an auspicious way.

We have a mutual friend in Dave Clayton and he said, hey, one of my friends wants to meet you.

And I'm like, okay, and I'm in Australia.

So I'm in Brisbane on a kind of Australian tour, multiple cities.

I'm like, yeah, sure, I'll meet your friend. And it turns out it's James and James is on the show and he's like Chris before I go I'd like to do a little skip with you I'm like okay and then James slaps me in her face or something.

It's like, what are we doing?

I don't know.

It was crazy.

But that goes to show you.

You signed a book for me, Adobe Max, and Dave Clayton gave it to me.

In the book, the inscription was your

Tik Tucks suck try harder please so that was me getting you back for that horrible

comment you made in the book obviously in jest but yeah thank you for playing

along and being part of that. That was fantastic.

Yeah, but you know if you're to slap somebody, slap Dave Clayton. He's the one

who told me to say something mean-spirited to you and he gave me some prompting there, I would say, and I just fulfilled my end of the bargain.

But it just shows a sense of your humor and your style and I think it's come very much to the surface on your Instagram and your TikTok and there's one thing we're going to start off today kind of strange.

I have to ask you this question, James.

You have a awkward signature pose. I don't know if you would consider that, but the old thumbs up and then sometimes you bite your lower lip for some reason. Yeah, it's like, oh, I'm going to do it.

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