Welcome to the MyBuddyGreen podcast. I'm Jason Wackib, founder and co-CEO of MyBuddyGreen and your host.

Hey guys, we are in for a treat. We have a man who is a frequent guest to the podcast, a man who needs

no introduction, a pioneer in functional medicine, a 13 time soon to be 14 time, New York Times best

selling author, the one and only, Dr. Mark Hyman. And he's got a new book, a book I wish I

can't believe it took him seven years to write it. It's called The Pagan Diet. We're going to start

there because Mark was at our first revitalized event in 2014 on a panel with me and Mark

introduced Pagan into the lexicon. So Mark, let's start there. What took you so long to get this

book out there? Seven years. I mean, he was there. It was a joke. It was like it was an attempted

to fuse a very hot situation on stage with a militant vegan cardiologist in a... I wonder who that

was. militant paleo doctor with very strong opinions who were going at it. And I was like in the

middle of the literally sitting in between them. And I'm like, man, if you're paleo and you're vegan,

I must be Pagan and everybody cracked up. I'm like, oh, that was a good joke. And then I was

flying back on the plane after the conference of revitalized. And I thought, let me think about this

for a minute. And I realized that paleo and vegan are identical except for one thing where you

get your protein, right? Animals, your greens, and beans. Otherwise, they're the same. No dairy,

no junk food, whole foods, lots of veggies, good fats, lots of good food. I mean, just really the

same. And I'm like, well, they have far more in common with each other than the standard American

diet or the sad diet. We call it S-A-T-S-S-An American diet. And that's really the problem. It's not

people who are trying to eat healthier and picking this or that dietary preference. And then I began

to think more deeply about it. And I thought, well, there's so many different diet wars out there.

I mean, you've got politics, religion, and nutrition. And it's pretty much at the same level of

intensity. Nobody's crashing into universities, breaking down the nutrition schools. But it's pretty

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