With all the bizarre things that we've found out about so far,

they're still a missing boy.

And a family who deserves, they deserve to know what happened to him.

It doesn't completely undermine it.

It just gives you an understanding of why he might say some outrageous things.

And he says, look, if you come visit me in jail,

I can prove to you that everything I'm saying is true.

Hello, and welcome to Best Case, worst case.

I'm francey Hakes, former state and federal prosecutor.

And with me from across the country, my co-host.

Hey, it's Jim Clemente, retired FBI profiler, former New York City prosecutor,

and retired producer of CBS's Criminal Minds.

And today we have an amazing guest back with us with an incredible encyclopedic knowledge

of the case we're talking about.

And that is Alex Clark.

I'm the host of the podcast, the spillover and social media show on Instagram and YouTube politics.

Well, and I have to say really quickly to our listeners, again, like last week Jim and I are under the weather.

So there may be a little bit of frog in my throat and Jim sounds weirdly subdued,

which maybe I should appreciate, but I don't know whether you guys will all appreciate it.

But Alex, thanks so much for coming back.

Let's just dive right back in to the story of missing Johnny Gosh.

So you've got this really tangled web going on now,

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