You have cases today of children that are supposedly being protected by child protective services and getting murder when they're technically in the custody of the government.

What the hell are we doing?

You lock down the window of opportunity, you do neighborhood campuses, find out all the information.

So the question isn't just where Johnny is, but who took him and why?

Hello and welcome to best case worst case. This is Jim Clemente Retired at the I profiler former New York City prosecutor and writer producer of CBS's criminal minds and with me today from afar is.

Hi everybody, it's francy hags former state and federal prosecutor and Jim before we really get the episode started, I just wanted to apologize to our listeners in advance.

Jim and I are both under the weather this week and so while I would have normally said to Jim, Jim, could you cover this interview for me and Jim might have said to me, francy can you cover the city for me.

We're both sick so we're probably either of us want to skip this particular either one of us.

I could be on my deathbed because we have such an exciting special guest.

I can't wait for everybody to meet her. She is.

I'm Alex Clark. I am the host of the podcast, the spillover and also the daily show politics on Instagram and YouTube.

Yeah, and if y'all have not either listened to politics, I mean seen politics or listen to the spillover, you are really missing out because Alex has an incredibly fun, unique take on life.

And so I'm going to say, if Alex, before we get started with kind of like your relation to crime, can you tell everybody how you got started in media because when I was out there in Phoenix interviewing with you on your show, the spillover.

I learned a little bit about you over a stake, which by the way, Alex likes kind of rare. I'm going to have to say right now.

Over a stake, we talked about how you got involved in media. And I think it's a great story, especially inspiring for young women. How did you get your start?

Well, actually, I was a massive fan of a different show, not best case worst case, but I was in high school. And by the time I was graduating high school, I was a fan of a local morning show on the radio in Louisville, Kentucky.

And I listened to these hosts every single day, every morning on my way of school, and I love them. And they said that they were hiring an intern. And I said, Oh, perfect. I'm going to become an intern. I'll get college credit. I'll go to my local community college.

And then that way I can meet them. And I had been an intern for one month, 18 didn't even know how to turn a mic on nothing. And they said, I really think you should reconsider.

I was going to go into fashion and do all this stuff. But they said, I really think you should reconsider and pursue a career in radio. And so that is a whole long story. But the short version of that is that I went full time in radio.

And started hosting number one shows in the morning radio pop radio circuit and then transitioned over into the conservative movement. So I kind of work in politics. But my main thing is, yes, I'm conservative. But also I really have a gift of talking to young people and connecting with young people.

At the same time that I'm sharing conservative values on my personal shows, I also really am into storytelling. And I love everything from pop culture to true crime. And so on my podcast, the spillover, which Jim Clemente and Francie Higgs have both been guests on.

And I really got to talk to them about their stories and also crimes, of course, that they have worked on in their careers. And my audience has absolutely loved it. So my whole thing is, yes, I'm conservative. But that's not the only thing about me. Conservatives are normal.

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