Hello, it's Owen Jones. Welcome to the podcast. Now, how do you notice you've not really

been dreaming much about the pandemic? Now, I first threw that out on Twitter and at the

time, I really hadn't dreamt about the pandemic, but I had this dream that I was getting

an illicit haircut and I was conspiring with a hairdresser in ways that I could pretend

that I'd somehow learn how to cut my hair on YouTube, which just shows how desperate I

am. I mean, I look desperate going by my haircut, but nonetheless, lots of people are not

dreaming about the pandemic. And I know that because opinion, the pollsters did an opinion

poll and showed that a large majority are either not dreaming about the pandemic or very rarely.

Why? It dominates every part of our waking existence. Why hasn't it invaded to a greater

degree, also conscious? So I had a chat with Robert Stick Gold, who is a professor of

psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and the author of the new book, When Grain's Dream,

because if anyone's going to know, he will. And he does. So he answers not just that question,

but what the hell are dreams about anyway? And why, you know, why do we have these very

sorts of dreams? I learned a lot about dreaming from this conversation. And you are too. So

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because we want that to happen. But thanks for the support, everyone. And give us a listen.

It's really, really interesting. So Bob, what a pleasure to join for you to join us. Thank

you so much. Thank you. This is going to be a really, really fascinating discussion. And

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