Having interviewed Patrick McGee, the IRA volunteer who bombed Brighton in 1984, I interviewed

Joe Berry, who lost her father, Sir Anthony Berry, in the attack when she was age 27.

I spoke to her about what it was like to go through losing her father in such circumstances,

about her emotional journey, about how she went looking for peace and reconciliation in

communities torn apart by conflict, about meeting Patrick McGee for the first time, and

about the extraordinary friendship they established over two decades, and about what she has

learned and what all of us can learn too. It is a remarkable interview. I really do hope

you take time to listen to all of it.

Joe, it's a huge honour, really big honour to be able to speak to you.

Oh, thank you, it was absolutely honour for me to be speaking to you. Thank you so much

for asking me.

No, no, I mean, when I was told you were willing to chat, I was over the moon, so I just

want to start. Let's just chat about your dad first. Your dad died in the 1984 Brighton bombing.

You were 27 years old. Just tell me about your dad, the man you knew, him as a father, I suppose.

Well, my dad was very much a family man. He had six children, he adored us all, he'd do anything

for us, and for him, he was really driven by caring, by love, by concern. I have so many memories

of going to Southgate where he was member of Parliament, and we get out of the car and walk where we

were going and people would stop him and ask him questions, ask him for help, and I remember

watching him and realising that he was there to help, you know, absolutely everyone, and he was

that kind of MP, he could just walk around anywhere and people would recognise him, he was very tall,

and would come to him. And we were really close. We had some amazing conversations that last year,

and even though I was young, I was just 27 when he was killed, I'd reached a place in me where

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