28: 1. A Future in Flames: Worldwide Wildfire Phenomenon and Historical Context. Danielle Clode's book, A Future in Flames, addresses wildfires (or bushfires in Australia) as a worldwide phenomenon challenging civilization in both the Northern and Southern He
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🗓️ 26 October 2025
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1. A Future in Flames: Worldwide Wildfire Phenomenon and Historical Context. Danielle Clode's book, A Future in Flames, addresses wildfires (or bushfires in Australia) as a worldwide phenomenon challenging civilization in both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres. The discussion emphasizes that bushfires are not solely a product of civilization but were present historically. Early European explorers, such as Captain Cook in 1770, frequently reported seeing fires along the Australian coast, often interpreting them as indicators of people ashore. Once explorers went ashore, some observed really intense fires that were clearly out of control. The sources highlight the long history of fire use by humans, focusing on Indigenous Australians. Prior to European settlement, Indigenous people used fire in various ways, including hunting, clearing movement passages, signaling, defense, and crucially, land management. They used fire selectively to stimulate new growth and promote grass for grazing prey. This land management system, perfected over more than 60,000 years, is known as "fire stick farming" and is integral to the Australian ecology. In contrast, early European settlers failed to apply these lessons well, often using fire indiscriminately merely to clear forests. While the land clearance supported the economy by regenerating grass for sheep, the uncontrolled fires became a serious problem relatively early in the colony's history. By 1851, settlers realized the severity of the issue, exemplified by events like Black Thursday (February 5, 1851), which featured extreme heat (47°C or 120+°F).
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBS Eye on the World. Here's John Batchelor. |
| 0:10.0 | It is 1770. We're with Captain off the coast of what will become Australia. |
| 0:17.0 | The Captain records in his log he sees a smoking cape. |
| 0:23.6 | This moment in history is a way of talking about a phenomena that is worldwide |
| 0:30.6 | and that challenges civilization in the northern hemisphere, Greece, Spain, Italy, in the southern hemisphere, especially |
| 0:40.3 | Australia, but Argentina and Chile, wildfires, they're called in California, bushfires |
| 0:47.3 | are called in Australia. |
| 0:49.3 | A new book that is an old book, a book that is necessary now and was necessary when it was written |
| 0:56.1 | a dozen years ago, a future in flames. Daniel Claude is the author. Daniel is very generous |
| 1:03.3 | to come back after I interviewed her about her wonderful new book, Cowalas, and in the course of |
| 1:09.1 | that conversation, we talked about the horror of a |
| 1:12.2 | wildfire tool with koala, because koalas cling to their source of energy, which is a eucalyptus tree, |
| 1:20.0 | and eucalyptus in a fire are very dangerous. Danielle, I congratulate you for having anticipated |
| 1:26.8 | the fate of the planet a dozen years ago, |
| 1:31.3 | because we're now in a situation where wildfires, we're told, are going to become routine, |
| 1:38.3 | not rare. |
| 1:39.3 | And perhaps every year there'll be damage to the environment, to the economy, and of course, to people |
| 1:46.0 | and wildlife. |
| 1:48.0 | I begin with the Captain Cook reference because we need to understand that wildfires are |
| 1:54.0 | not, or bushfires are not a product of civilization. |
| 1:57.0 | They were always there. |
| 1:58.0 | What did Captain Cook see? |
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