I think this is such a rarity these days just to come to a website and feel like oh they actually respect me

because we usually just throw things at people without even considering them from newsletters to pop-offs to everything. I think once you do that, once you actually get to the point where somebody feels valued, oh they will move mountains for you. You're going to do. What is up everybody? My guest for today is someone I met on the road on the stage. He's a super funny guy.

I kind of think of him as the maybe the European Dr Evil.

He's got a wicked sense of humor and he's a super experienced person.

He's done so many different things.

His name is Vittelie.

Interesting name just to begin with. So Vittelie. Interesting name just to begin with.

So Vittelie, for people who don't know who you are,

please introduce yourself

and tell us a little story about

the quirkiness, the human that's in front of me right now.

Oh, thank you so much for having me, Chris.

Well, I never been called evil.

I know, not evil, like your hilarious.

I don't know, it's like, yeah, yeah, so I think that is a bit of connection right there indeed so

difference thank you so much for having me I would say that my life has been full of

surprises I've been torn between so many different things I think it all started

somewhere in 1999,

remember? Now maybe you don't know, like you're too young. So I was doing all this shockwave stuff

and before Flash even existed and then I got all the way into web design.

Web design was web designers.

We're not web designers anymore, we are project designers now.

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