273. Q+A on Leadville 100 Pain Cave, Stealth Mode, Training Changes, Shorter Tapers, Pacing, and Obliterating Yourself (with Love)!
Some Work, All Play
David Roche and Megan Roche
4.8 • 2.1K Ratings
🗓️ 26 August 2025
⏱️ 107 minutes
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Summary
This was one of the most fun episodes ever, answering all the questions on the science and vibes of the Leadville CR! As always, we didn’t hold back with any secrets... sometimes to a fault.
Before that, we reviewed a new study abstract on colon cancer risk in runners, which could have implications for routine screening recommendations. We will keep you updated as the science evolves!
Then it was onto the joy carousel with listener questions! Topics: pro runner status, sleep after ultras, our evolving view of active heat training interventions, taper theory and carb ox changes, Megan’s race plans, whether the DNF was necessary for the breakthrough, the absurd inaccuracy of some watch metrics, how to be a good pacer, the non-linear postpartum journey, what it means to obliterate yourself (with love), running packs, going stealth mode, sleep before races, training changes between races, childcare, the Pain Cave, what hurts when it’s hard, processing failure, chafing, bathroom breaks, mid-race bicarb, and so much more!
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Never not staying soft,
-David and Megan
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| 0:00.0 | Woo! |
| 0:01.5 | Welcome to the Some Work All Play podcast. We are so happy to do with you today. Happy Tuesday. It's Tuesday. And David, you are work sending it on this Tuesday. I really am because I'm waking up at like the ass crack of dawn. Actually, far before the ass crack of dawn. 4 a.m. is basically the latest I got. Yeah. You're up in bed at like 3.30. And then are you staying in bed until |
| 0:22.3 | four? And then you're like, I'm going to unleash my brain on all of the work tasks ahead. |
| 0:27.0 | Basically, there's something weird that happens after these 100-mileers where I'm able to get to |
| 0:31.5 | sleep. But then I wake up just wired as can be. And I've heard this from a lot of other athletes. |
| 0:36.4 | My guess is something just truly strange happens to the nervous system once you're starting to go 10 plus hours. So I don't know exactly what it is, but I'm harnessing that strangeness and channeling it into my laptop. I know. I need some of this in my life. I need to run a hundred mile race so I can go and do accounting at 4 a.m. |
| 0:54.5 | I can coach, contribute to Patreon. You are stepping up and doing all of these things that |
| 0:58.2 | have been on like the back half of your to-do list. And it's happening. Yeah. Today, I did accounting |
| 1:03.8 | for the first time since December of 2023. 2023. For coaching? Yeah, for coaching. |
| 1:09.3 | And honestly, a little disappointed at how few athletes are paying. Most are. But there's a few. I'm like, come on, guys. That being said, honor system for a year and a half, I also probably wouldn't be paying at that point. I was like, that's on you at that point. You deserve it, buddy. But it is quite good from a serious perspective to catch up on work. I'm hoping the sleep gets a little better soon. How long has that taken you historically to come back? Usually about a week and a half. Basically, when I get back to running and get back to workouts, everything clicks into gear. I mean, what it really could be is partially just that I'm not training. And my body kind of relies a little bit on that. So I'm |
| 1:45.7 | hopeful that if I'm able to run this week, I'll be able to sleep. Maybe it's because you've accomplished your entire to do list. You get to the end and you're like, what am I going to do? I should just stay here in bed. And then you fall back to sleep. Yeah. There's still a lot that I'm Harnet I'm not doing right now, so the to-do list ain't quite done yet. |
| 1:43.5 | Maybe accounting is a sign that in two days your'm not doing right now. So the to-do list ain't quite done yet. |
| 2:01.6 | Maybe accounting is a sign that in two days, your sleep is going to be so much better. |
| 2:05.7 | You're like, only two things left on the to-do list. Do you have anything left? |
| 2:09.4 | Well, yeah, we've talked about some things that I shouldn't talk about on here that I've really dropped the ball on. |
| 2:14.8 | Oh, yeah. Yeah. |
| 2:18.7 | Both of us. |
| 2:22.3 | I feel like a relationship is just understanding which mutual balls are being dropped. |
| 2:23.4 | I'm like, that's okay. |
| 2:28.5 | Saying that's okay to your partner about messing up basic logistics of life. |
| 2:30.0 | That's what a relationship is. |
| 2:31.6 | Okay, we have the best episode for you today. |
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