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Gender: A Wider Lens

26 - Behind the Curtain: Depth Work in Gender Exploratory Therapy - Part II

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2021

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Sasha and Stella continue their series which peers behind the curtain of depth work with gender-questioning clients. Today, they weave in philosophy and psychology to discuss the importance of authenticity, happiness, and connectedness. They also explore the value of art in the slow evolving process of an emergent Self.

Links:

The Catcher in the Rye: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/5107.The_Catcher_in_the_Rye

The Bell Jar : https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6514.The_Bell_Jar

Taxi Driver: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxi_Driver

The Scream: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Scream

Raised by the Village (with Stella O’Malley): https://www.rte.ie/tv/programmes/1076971-raised-by-the-village/

External Locus of Control: https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-1-4419-1005-9_250#:~:text=Definition,luck%2C%20chance%2C%20or%20randomness.

Extended Notes

  • How do you “break the ice,” as it were, with a gender-questioning teen?
  • Sasha and Stella noticed that a lot of these children don’t have “joy” in their lives.
  • What does it mean to be authentic?
  • So many teens feel different from others and they feel like no one else understands the feelings they’re going through.
  • A lot of gender-questioning teens are asking very common existential questions. It often shows up everywhere, really.
  • Sasha often likes to ask what are some of the common triggers to her client’s gender dysphoria. The answers are very interesting and insightful.
  • Going from a child body to an adult body is very jarring.
  • If a child is experiencing same-sex attraction, therapists really need to slow down in this process and explore.
  • Everybody says they’re pro-LGBTQ, but they just don’t want it for themselves.
  • There is a lot of bullying going on in schools when someone is gay or a lesbian — a lot of bullying.
  • It’s one thing to say you’re okay with it, but it’s quite another to be experiencing same-sex attraction physically.
  • Sasha works a lot with helping her clients find their own voice that’s not a reaction towards their parent’s wishes.
  • When parents are so adamant about what the “right thing” is for their children, the children end up doubling down even further.
  • Sasha loves to do these “gender timelines” to help the child see how their views change over time.
  • Stella really likes to go “behind the label.” Yes, they’re calling themselves certain things, but let’s dig deeper as to why.
  • Some children also have a hard time accepting their very “ordinary” selves.
  • Let’s explore internal vs. external locus of control.
  • Young people have been sold this idea that they can control how other people perceive them.
  • Stella likes to encourage her clients to develop their own sense of style. Not develop a style based on “what they think it means to be trans.” What her clients come up with is often very freeing.
  • Stella is also curious to understand whether medications are suppressing libidos and this means young teens feel like they have to...

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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

0:04.0

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:06.5

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:10.6

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

0:16.1

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

0:20.7

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

0:24.2

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

0:28.1

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

0:37.6

Hello, Stella.

0:39.1

Hi there, how are you?

0:40.8

I'm great.

0:41.8

So we are back to continue discussing what depth therapy looks like

0:46.9

when you're in kind of the main segment of our therapy sessions with clients

0:51.9

we did our first episode last week of this section here and we realized that we could

0:58.4

probably just do these kinds of episodes for years and years to come.

1:03.0

So we, yeah, happily.

1:06.4

So we're gonna just continue discussing

1:09.0

what kinds of topics, themes, techniques, and conversations happen when we are doing depth work with a person

1:17.5

around gender issues.

1:20.0

So where do we want to get started, Stella?

1:23.1

I suppose when I think about how to work with the gender questioning

1:28.6

youth, I think generally, I think, you know, the seeking to transition is a solution and it's a

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