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Gender: A Wider Lens

25 - Behind the Curtain: Depth Work in Gender Exploratory Therapy

Gender: A Wider Lens

Sasha Ayad and Stella O'Malley

Health & Fitness, Society & Culture, Mental Health

4.6961 Ratings

🗓️ 28 May 2021

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

After the therapist has laid the foundations of therapy and established a trusting relationship, the process moves into the middle stage. This is the meat of the therapy! In this episode, Sasha and Stella explore the dynamics that can elicit change in the individual. They consider the curious vs. fixed client, self-esteem issues, broadening the client’s focus, and how to speak meaningfully about gender in therapy.

Links:

The Importance of an Unhappy Adolescence: Youtube.com/watch?v=zcUI1Hk0GRU&feature=emb_title

Gender Care Consumer Advocacy Network: Gccan.org

Extended Notes

  • What’s the true job of a therapist when a parent brings their gender-questioning teen in for counseling?
  • Timing is important when approaching therapy. Both Stella and Sasha keep phrases and viewpoints their teen is saying in their back pocket to bring up for exploration at another time.
  • If you’re not careful, it can turn into a “gotcha” moment for your client. You want to avoid that.
  • Teens have very harsh inner voices and, as therapists, it’s important to look into this in a gentle way.
  • A lot of adolescents understand the importance of their mental health, which is why they’re so critical of themselves when they don’t have happiness. It’s a vicious cycle.
  • Whenever there’s an outburst, people might be dismissive and say, “Oh you should talk to your therapist about that.” Although true, there are better ways to reassure a child that their emotions are perfectly normal.
  • Parents don’t like to reveal some of the bad things that happened to them throughout their life, but sharing some of these experiences with their children really humanizes them.
  • When you don’t divulge information, you make your relationship colder. By sharing information and life experiences, you create a deeper friendship.
  • People love to throw out diagnoses left and right, but sometimes these are just children going through normal teenage things.
  • Stella shares an interesting pattern that happens with her clients when they go from gender distress to seemingly being fine, and then back to gender distress.
  • As a therapist, it’s important to position yourself as someone who explores unknown questions together with your client.
  • It’s important to think big picture and dive into what else is going on in their life and not just focus on the teen’s specific gender issue.
  • Teens have reported that social media causes a lot of distress and time wasted. Too much time on these platforms causes them a lot of mental health issues.
  • As therapists, it’s also important to show the client how they can find their strong voice and say no to things that aren’t serving them or causing them distress.
  • What is the sexual self? How do you define it?
  • Therapists need to not hurry this process. A strong relationship can develop over years and so there’s time to explore challenging subjects pieces at a time.
  • The political narrative around puberty blockers is not matching what Stella and Sasha are seeing in their clinic, is it because they have a more biased cohort?


This podcast is partially sponsored by ReIME, Rethink Identity Medicine Ethics:

Rethinkime.org


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Transcript

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0:00.0

You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

0:04.0

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

0:06.5

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

0:10.6

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

0:16.1

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

0:20.7

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

0:24.2

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

0:28.1

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

0:35.0

Hi there, Sasha.

0:38.0

Hi Stella.

0:39.0

So today we're going behind the curtain yet again and we kind of very much focused I believe really on the initial stages of therapy with the gender questioning or a gender distressed young person.

0:54.0

And now we want to get into the meat of it.

0:56.0

The middle stage, which is really where all the therapy happens.

1:00.0

The first stage and the end stage have their place,

1:02.0

but the meat is really is really in the

1:06.0

middle when you've got to know the the young person you have a good alliance with them

1:11.1

and you're trying if you're like me as a therapist I'd be very

1:15.2

interested to know yours but for me it's when I kind of flick out in quite I would

1:21.1

argue it's quite an insolent way will we try this and it's a very succency I don't tend to kind of I know

1:28.8

CBT I you know I did actually did a master's in CBT and you could really pump up your strategies because you have to get buy-in.

1:37.2

That's not really how I go at it. So that's what we're going to discuss today and what are you what are your kind of initial

1:47.0

thoughts on the the middle stage?

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