We're trying to wake ourselves up as quickly as possible,

stay high all day long, you know, caffeinated, whatever it is,

and then fall asleep as quickly as possible.

Oh, let it out, let it out, Hello, Hello,

Bonjour as they say, where I am right now, in Paris.

By the time you're listening to this, I'll be back in New York or en route back to New York,

but that's where I'm recording this intro.

So it's going to be short because I need to leave the

hotel room and go out for the day and explore. And we have a very long, great episode with

Rochelle. She's the founder of Supernatural. We talk about herbalism and her story in this episode.

We talk about Kava and changing careers.

She used to work in fashion.

We talk about current trends and wellness and the dangers of trends.

We talk about fashion and style because she has such great fashion style.

Anxiety, body image, break breakups we also at the very end talk

about productivity and some productivity hacks that she has in a really interesting way that's

helped me a lot i enjoy her i enjoy this conversation i think you will too. Thank you to our sponsors. Thank you to

you for listening. If you're new to this podcast, I hope you stick around and check out the archive.

I've been doing this since 2013. It's my favorite thing I've ever done because I think podcasting

is the new networking. It's allowed me to meet so many people. I'm hanging out

with people in Paris because of this podcast. Anyway, if you want to start a podcast or you have any

desire to meet people in this way or you've been thinking about sharing something or interviewing

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